topic Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 14:47:25 GMT

i want to shoot an in camera sunrise time lapse on a tripod with a fixed aperture. or sunset to but mostly sunrise.

i am using a 2 second interval and 3600 exposures. i would like the camera to vary the shutter speed and iso. i would like to set the initial exposure at 2 seconds or 1 second and whatever iso that would be and varying the iso until it was 100 and only then changing the shutter speed faster and faster.it set to vary the iso but can not figure out how to vary the shutter speed.

Is this possible?

it seems whichever video mode i am in once i go into timelapse mode i can not change the shutter speed but it will shoot with auto iso.

i have tried using different video modes before going into the timelapse mode to no avail.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:59:59 GMT

Use Av mode. Dial in whatever ISO you want. Set your aperture. Set "Auto Exposure" to "Each Frame".

I guess.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 19:23:10 GMT

I hope you are using the battery grip, or your battery is going to be drained taking that many shots. In fact, you want to use the DC coupler and AC adapter.

"This DC Coupler DR-E6 is compatible with select Canon digital cameras. It fits inside the camera's battery compartment and has an attached 7.5' DC cord. This cord plugs into the AC-E6 AC adapter accessory."

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Sat, 28 Dec 2019 03:13:22 GMT

those are the settings i have been using. the camera will change the iso but not the shutter speed.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Sat, 28 Dec 2019 17:16:16 GMT

@GroomsPhotos wrote:
those are the settings i have been using. the camera will change the iso but not the shutter speed.

This begs the question what was your ISO setting? What were all of your exposure settings?

I do not understand why the EOS R does not have an Interval Timer. That is what many people do. They use an. Intervalometer to take a series of photos, and then combine them in post. Nearly all of the recent camera bodies have an Interval Timer in the menus.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:46:34 GMT

the battery is fine taking that many shots. it does and exposure every 2 secons so two hours of shooting. i have the screen set to go off after 15 minuites. the shutter is silent so i believe it is only electronic when doing the time lapse in camera.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 16:38:34 GMT

i have the camera set for auto iso.

there is no auto shutter speed as far as i can deterninge.

Canon engineers where are you?

Help

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 17:20:22 GMT

@GroomsPhotos wrote:
i have the camera set for auto iso.

there is no auto shutter speed as far as i can deterninge.

Canon engineers where are you?

Help

Thanks for the ISO setting info.

You may not fully understand how the different Creative modes work. When you set the camera to Av, the automatically sets the shutter speed. Av mode allows you to set an aperture value, and the camera will determine a shutter speed for correct exposure.

If you have the camera set for ISO Auto, then the time lapse will use ISO Auto for each frame. If you want a specific ISO value, the dial in specific ISO value. When using ISO Auto, you can specify a range of ISO values that the camera can use.

If the camera is capturing a series of correct exposures, then I do not see the problem. Do not over think it. There are things about the camera you may not fully understand,yet.

If you get good results, be happy with them. Try to figure out why you had good results. I think wanting to use only ISO 100 for each and every shot over the course of a sunrise or sunset is unrealistic.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 22:57:59 GMT

lets' think about sunset instead. i have done the time lapse in M mode as well for both sunrise and sunset.

it does not matter which video mode i am in, even in M mode once i put the camera into timelapse mode i can not set the shutter speed for shooting a timelapse, only the aperture and auto iso on or off. it would be better if the shutter speed would change from a long shutter speed and low iso until the light fades where the shutter speed is too long to the time between exposures and then and only then the the iso starts to increase.

i have shot several timelapses and the exposures are correct but it would be so much better at lower isos.

here is an example of a sunrise

https://youtu.be/Wey66B-tCVk

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 00:39:15 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
Use Av mode. Dial in whatever ISO you want. Set your aperture. Set "Auto Exposure" to "Each Frame".

I guess.

Do you even understand how the camera works? I suggested a solution many replies ago.

You say set the camera to M, but then you expect the camera to alter the SS that you have dialed in. No, the SS will remain at whatever setting you dialed in. That is what manual mode means.

You say that you want all of the shots to be taken at ISO 100. Yet, you set ISO to Auto, and then complain that ISO is changing, instead of the SS. Altering the ISO value from one shot to the next is exactly what ISO Auto does.

I posted a set of camera settings. You claimed to have use them. Your most recent comments suggest that you have not even tried them. I do not know what to say, anymore.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 03:22:44 GMT

I do understand how the camera settings work. this is a new camera for me but i have used a Canon 5D iii and now iv for many years and shoot mostly in Manual mode.

have you shot the EOS R in Timelapse mode?

timelapse mode will only let you set the aperature and iso to fixed or variable. that will not manage the wide dynamic range from night to day.

the video i posted was only half of the one i shot that day. the next minute the sun came out and blew out the skyl

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:47:17 GMT

@GroomsPhotos wrote:
I do understand how the camera settings work. this is a new camera for me but i have used a Canon 5D iii and now iv for many years and shoot mostly in Manual mode.

I am sorry, but I beg to differ. You really do not have a strong grasp on the basics. Your complaints that I cited in my previous post illustrate that fact. This excerpt from you original post is another example.

"i want to shoot an in camera sunrise time lapse on a tripod with a fixed aperture. or sunset to but mostly sunrise.

i am using a 2 second interval and 3600 exposures."

You want to use a shutter speed that is likely to be equal to or longer than your interval. That is a recipe for no shots ever being captured after the initial shot.

You are stil mystified by the fact that the camera does not automatically adjust SS when your are in Manual mode. But, your biggest problem is not your lack of knowledge, but the fact that you are not open to new ideas and trying something new.

Good Luck.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 13:40:25 GMT

i have found a menu setting for setting the maximum ISO for the timelapse mode.

i WAS shooting mostly in Av mode but was experimenting with other modes. setting the ISO setting to 800 has made the difference in the video quality i was looking for.

Waddizzle- have you ever shot with this camera? have you used the timelapse mode? you did not comment on your erroneous statement about the battery life shooting a timelapse which makes me think you have not used this camera, that and the fact that your non rented verion of LR can not work with the camera.

this video is with the ISO set to a max of 800

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whP4-f0xeiU

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:45:44 GMT

I told you to use Av mode and manually set ISO several replies ago. You seemed to ignore my advice.

I have not used the R and do not need to. Time-Lapse works the same way on all Canon bodies that have it, including mine.

BTW, I am running LR Classic. Good luck.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 10:44:14 GMT

i beg to differ. time lapse movie mode does not work the same on all Canon bodies. the OES R has auto ISO which i believe is only also available on the 6D and can change the exposure for each frame and one can also limit the ISO settings for time lapse mode.

My 5Div does not have that capabulity.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

Waddizzle — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 12:29:48 GMT

@GroomsPhotos wrote:
i beg to differ. time lapse movie mode does not work the same on all Canon bodies. the OES R has auto ISO which i believe is only also available on the 6D and can change the exposure for each frame and one can also limit the ISO settings for time lapse mode.

My 5Div does not have that capabulity.

From the 5D4 Instruction Manual, p379.

http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/0/0300024970/01/eos5d-mk4-im-en.pdf

All of the cameras that have Time-Lapse Movie Mode work the same way. Why would Canon make it work differently in different cameras? It makes far more sense for all of them to work the same way, which they do.

I think you meant to say 6D2. Good Luck

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:08:02 GMT

only the 6Dii and the EOS R has the auto ISO setting in time lapse movie mode with a limit. yes, you can limit the max or min iso but not in time lapse movie mode which is what we are discussing.

see the last choice on the menu below. that is not found on other Canon cameras.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

wq9nsc — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:42:55 GMT

I recall when you started this post that you were shooting a regular set of time lapse stills. I don't have an EOS R so I don't know what it does with its mechanical shutter in time lapse mode but if it stays open continuously you need to be extremely careful capturing sunrise/sunset sequences or anything with this sort of high intensity illumination to avoid sensor damage.

If the mechanical shutter stays open in this mode like it does in other normal mirrorless camera modes (or a DSLR in liveview mode) then the sensor is constantly being hit with light focused through the lens even when it is not actually capturing an image. With excessive illumination, at a minimum you are reducing sensor performance from additional heating which increases random "shot" noise and at worst the sensor will be permanently damaged.

Use caution with this setup!

Rodger

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

GroomsPhotos — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 16:06:20 GMT

thank you Roger. that is a good advice. i will have to stop when the sun comes up.

in my original post i should have said time lapse movie mode. my mistake.

Re: EOS R timelapse settings for sunrise

wq9nsc — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:52:12 GMT

You are welcome! I wasn't sure from the thread which mode you are using or if it makes a difference in terms of sensor exposure to damage. With different technology, we have to modify our old procedures and the constantly exposed sensor plays a role.

Rodger