topic Re: Canon EOS R!! in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Canon EOS R

Lincon — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:30:06 GMT

Hello everyone,,

I would like to get peoples opinion about getting the Canon EOS R. I want to upgrade my camera to mirrorless and think the new RF Lens from canon look amazing plus would be a good investment for the future.

I normal take landscape and travel pictures with no videos so the crop size issues isn’t a factor for me.

I have also been looking at the Sony 7iii and don’t like the look and feel of it but understand at the moment they are ahead of canon in sensor design.

Just want to get peoples opinion who have used the EOS R and/or Sony 7iii

Re: Canon EOS R!!!!

Iamintexas — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 02:15:36 GMT

My opinion is that of an amateur point of view. I am a casual user who has been with Canon since the early 80’s SLRs. I have no photography business skills. Most important DSLR usage has been on trips near and far. I did well on a low-budget wedding.

Let me assume that you have looked at many utoob reviews, and now you want to hear what an owner has to say. Any content you may have researched has to be evaluated with a bit of wisdom. Separate the good points from the bad.

Six months ago, I bought the EOS R with the RF24-105 lens, and I also got the lens adaptor with control ring. The transition from 5D3 to R took less than 2 months of reading, trial and error, and practice, practice, practice. Weight wise, both body and lens seem to feel just about the same weight as the 5D3 with 24-70 F2.8 lens that I previously had. Smaller body and lens, but the weight is about the same.

I did a lot of reading before pulling the trigger. It was said that the learning curve was steep. Well, it was, but again, someone always posts something that eases the pain and makes things clearer. I have not been frequenting my other forums, but it looks to me like the dust has settled on the EOS R. Now the new kid on the block, the RP, is getting all the attention. I am not interested in that new kid as I regard this camera to be my last camera. At least, until I get full use out of it.

Picture quality, I think, is superb. Lens image stabilization has a lot to do with that. As Canon states, with mirrorless, there is no need to calibrate your lenses for sharp images. Something like that. High ISO images have little for me to object about, but keep in mind I am an amateur. I am not looking to sell prints, but to put them on my wall, in some forums, or in social media. I too focus to get the sharpest photos I can get. With either LCD or viewfinder, you get to immediately see what your image will look like. WYSIWYG.

Touch screen focusing took little time to adapt to. No more moving a joystick to get the focus point where I want it. I can see the focus point moving faster to where I want it to be than it did with the joystick. Really works well when doing video. Couldn’t do that with the 5D3. The touch screen can have many other functions, but they can be turned off or adjusted to your liking. Something that sometimes bugs me is when the screen goes blank when anything passes before the sensor beneath the viewfinder. At first, I could not figure out why that was happening. Now I know why. Read the manual.

In my next DSLR, a flip-screen display was what I was wanting. There were so many times I wished the 5D3 had one. It seems much bigger, and a lot more info can be fit into it. You can select what you want to see in it. Needless to say, you gotta think about protecting it. That part might cost a bundle to have it repaired/replaced. I don’t normally buy service plans, but I did on this baby. I have done sensor cleanings, but I will hold off on this mirrorless.

Yes, reaching with the thumb to do this or that was at first difficult, but it has become routine now. I think I have medium hands that fit large work gloves. I am getting better at reaching for the correct area on the lower right corner of the screen. Humans get used to the hardest of tasks with a lot of repetition.

For video, I use a Shure VP83F microphone. The 5D3 sound was horrible, and so far, I have gotten good sound out of the R. Maybe all DSLR sound is the same. With the Shure shotgun mike, I get good sound without all the tinny-ness to it. That was another learning experience. My only complaint is that the RF 24-105’s focusing ring is stiff to turn. Very frustrating to see movement in my video when turning the ring. I am thinking about getting the RF 35mm prime and use my feet to zoom.

The body has a good feel to it. The hand grip area sticks out further than my previous camera. Buttons might be fewer, but they are adequate. Fitting non-RF lenses to it will require either of the two available adaptors. The one with the control ring allows for assigning it a function. From reading reviews, tips and hints, I assigned it the ISO function.

The sensor. When turning off the camera, a pop-up warning recommends putting the front lens cover back on. And to not leave it facing the sun with the lens cover off. Makes sense to me as it is exposed to light sources. I don’t need that service charge billed to me so soon.

Product images show that the viewfinder sticks out further. Sure helps, a bit, to keep my nose oils off the LCD. I am a left eye person. It has a tiny, square-shaped sensor beneath the viewfinder to sense presence of objects that pass before it. In fact, once in a while I find myself using the LCD screen much like I do with the cell phone. Shame on me. I can see and talk to my subjects without looking ominous to them. That is, my face is not covered by the big, black camera when taking photos of people.

As for the single SD card. Knock on wood, since the Rebel DSLR, I have not ever had a problem with SanDisk cards. I have yet to wish for dual-card slots with the EOS R. In first (professional) reviews of the R, this was a big issue. And, I don’t disagree with those opinions as I understand money and reputation are at stake. Maybe there is or will be some device that can be hooked up to the EOS R that immediately transfers RAW only, or RAW and JPG to a waiting folder. The RAW images hold the most value, don’t they?

I hope other people chime in. Please spend about a few weeks or a month learning about it before taking the plunge. Canon has some very good products. I will say that I love my EOS R and that it accompanies me almost every time I drive somewhere. It does what I want it to do, and it does it well. Thankfully, I can still carry it for several hours on walking, hiking and family events without tiring too soon. I recommend getting a better neck strap and the best-preforming card you can get. An extra battery is good too. Good luck.

Re: Canon EOS R!!

ebiggs1 — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:37:49 GMT

If you want mirrorless and you want Canon buy it and don’t worry what people say

Re: Canon EOS R!!

royd63uk — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:54:09 GMT

I have the R and for landscapes etc it is brilliant.

Go for it

Re: Canon EOS R!!

Davoud — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 04:38:41 GMT

@gomeswichal:
Just want to get peoples opinion who have used the EOS R and/or Sony 7iii
This is not just an opinion, but a fact. Nobody ever looked at a well made photo from an EOS R/RP and said “too bad you didn’t use a Sony xxxx.” Or vice versa. I have an EOS RP and it’s a great professional-level camera for many uses. Never mind that Canon positions it as a consumer camera; I’m making professional-grade nature photos with it, using mostly EF lenses.

OTOH, if you’re willing to swallow the marketing nonsense about the need for 61MP, the Sony a7R IV, available in September, looks good on paper and will use Canon EF lenses, but not RF.

Atalopedes campestris, Sachem Skipper, Female. EOS RP, EF 100mm macro lens.

Re: Canon EOS R!!

ebiggs1 — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:32:19 GMT

"Never mind that Canon positions it as a consumer camera; I’m making professional-grade nature photos with it, using mostly EF lenses."

You may have misunderstood what a "professional grade" camera is. I have done "professional grade" photos with a Rebel at least they sold. If that is your definition of a "professional grade" photo. I have also done "professional grade" photos with a Powershot as well which I also sold.

A "professional grade" camera is more its build quality since all modern DSLRs are capable of outstanding work. Canon builds the 1 series for instance to withstand the rigors of day in day out constant use. Not to mention rough abusive use. Actually some of the newest models have better or at leat as good of specs to the latest 1DX Mk II but will they answer the call no matter what?

Bottom line there is only two "professional grade" cameras made today. The Nikon D5 and the Canon 1DX Mk II not considering the earlier modes of each. However lots of cameras make "professional grade" photos.

BTW, your shot is very nice and I for one consider it a "professional grade" shot. Good work!

Re: Canon EOS R

kvbarkley — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:23:30 GMT

The R is a full-frame sensor. I don't know why you say "so the crop size issues isn’t a factor for me".

Re: Canon EOS R

coachboz68 — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:44:22 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
The R is a full-frame sensor. I don't know why you say "so the crop size issues isn’t a factor for me".

I think the OP was saying "no video" and, therefore, not concerned with the 4K video crop factor which seems to have upset a lot of video enthusiasts. I really don't shoot video myself, so don't have a dog in that fight, but I'm just going on several articles I've read on the matter.

Re: Canon EOS R

shadowsports — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:31:56 GMT

@appy7 wrote:
I would like to get peoples opinion about getting the Canon EOS R. I want to upgrade my camera to mirrorless and think the new RF Lens from canon look amazing plus would be a good investment for the future.
I normal take landscape and travel pictures with no videos so the crop size issues isn’t a factor for me.
I have also been looking at the Sony 7iii and don’t like the look and feel of it but understand at the moment they are ahead of canon in sensor design.
Just want to get peoples opinion who have used the EOS R

Nothing in your post about "the camera" you want to replace.

How many EF lenses do you own? How invested are you?

The R is first gen and has all of the pain points that comes with a new "model". Do a side by side comparison. A 5D4 will smoke it all day long.

Even at $1900 (current price at B&H) for what you get and having to invest in an adapter is not a winning proposition.

Battery life

Lower FPS with full AF

4K video crop factor (not serious) but also not present on 5D4

RP lens investment

In my opinion neither body (R or RP) is worth consideration. I'd wait a bit for Gen3. This is one time when something truly better is just around the corner. I think Gen3 will be worth the wait. Just my opinion, you are welcome to buy one up if it serves your needs.

Re: Canon EOS R

noeldg — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:17:41 GMT

I took the EOS R last week and was never disappointed.I still have the 6D and 5D Mkiii . Have few Canon L lenses, plus 2 Sigma Lenses.My first worry was the Sigma Art lenses performance (35 and 50), but it works better, focusing is faster.The 85mm f1.2 L ii which is very difficult to focus is snappy on EOS R, big difference on speed and focus accuracy.Spent last weekend testing my other lenses and i could honestly say that tehy all perform better.
I decided to go on this route because i already invest on Canon glass.It took me sometime to get use with the camera operation but if your already in to Canon ecosystem, learning will not take sometime.I'm planning to take this on my next vacation, i know it will be quite a challenge since i will be carrying a heavier gear again.
By the end of the day Camera gears grows on you in spite their limitations, it's a tools. Waiting for the "best" camera will never end...if you like Photography, master it with any gears you have.

Re: Canon EOS R

RobertTheFat — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:27:57 GMT

@noeldg wrote:
I took the EOS R last week and was never disappointed.I still have the 6D and 5D Mkiii . Have few Canon L lenses, plus 2 Sigma Lenses.My first worry was the Sigma Art lenses performance (35 and 50), but it works better, focusing is faster.The 85mm f1.2 L ii which is very difficult to focus is snappy on EOS R, big difference on speed and focus accuracy.Spent last weekend testing my other lenses and i could honestly say that tehy all perform better.
I decided to go on this route because i already invest on Canon glass.It took me sometime to get use with the camera operation but if your already in to Canon ecosystem, learning will not take sometime.I'm planning to take this on my next vacation, i know it will be quite a challenge since i will be carrying a heavier gear again.
By the end of the day Camera gears grows on you in spite their limitations, it's a tools. Waiting for the "best" camera will never end...if you like Photography, master it with any gears you have.

Before I retired three years ago, I was a semi-professional event and landscape photographer. When I bought new equipment, it was almost always because my current equipment didn't quite cut it. If I were in that situation today, I wouldn't go mirrorless. But if I live long enough to buy another camera, it almost certainly will be a mirrorless. It's clearly the wave of the future, and I confidently expect the R series to advance even faster than the 5D series did.

Re: Canon EOS R

John_SD — Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:54:18 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
But if I live long enough to buy another camera, it almost certainly will be a mirrorless. It's clearly the wave of the future, and I confidently expect the R series to advance even faster than the 5D series did.

I think it's important to always have something to look forward to in life, regardless of one's age. A case in point is the old fellow across the street from me. He just sold his vintage Skylark (at his son's insistence) and bought himself a new Mustang -- smaller, easier for him to handle, less costly maintenance, etc. A former engineer at JPL in Pasadena during the Apollo days, he just turned 90, and though he limits himself to short trips around town, he is a lifeliong automotive enthusiast and enjoys his new car immensely. Some would say he's too old, but he has a clean driving record and hasn't been in a colliision since the mid 1970s.

Why not start researching mirrorless cameras now in earnest? You may find something you like better than the Canon R. That said, I realize that we are in a transitional period, with a number of gen 1.0 mirrorless cameras out there. Several suffer from the gen 1 limitations and issues, but as you say, mirrorless is the future. I say go for it. I expect gen 2 models to be released in the relatively near future, and that may be the time to go for it.

Re: Canon EOS R

docusync — Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:20:35 GMT

You cannot go wrong with either modern camera, assuming you have good lenses for it. The Sony takes the EF lenses via a few adapters, but the AF experience is not even remotely close to what you can get adapting them on the EOS R. I personally like the EOS R better than the Canon DSLRs (I had the 5DsR and 1DX II in the past) for one simple reason: AF superiority. No need to calibrate your lenses anymore (AFMA), and no matter what 3rd party EF lens you put on it - they just work flawlessly. The EVF has its pros (WYSIWYG) and cons (delay). The delay is not a huge deal for what I shoot. I used to shoot the A7r2 for almost 2 years, and while I loved the sensor I didn't like anything else in it.

Re: Canon EOS R

sarahbaileywv — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:21:40 GMT

Hello- I have the EOS R and absolutely love it. I also bought one RF lens to go with it- but am not completely on board with it and use an adapter for my EF/EFS lenses which seem to work even better on that camera than my 80D. Focusing ability and detail in images captured with the EOS R are pretty much unmatched by anything I have used in the past. Battery life could use some work- but I keep mulitple on me- so is not an issue. Hope this helps!

Re: Canon EOS R

RobertTheFat — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:18:23 GMT

@sarahbaileywv wrote:
Hello- I have the EOS R and absolutely love it. I also bought one RF lens to go with it- but am not completely on board with it and use an adapter for my EF/EFS lenses which seem to work even better on that camera than my 80D. Focusing ability and detail in images captured with the EOS R are pretty much unmatched by anything I have used in the past. Battery life could use some work- but I keep mulitple on me- so is not an issue. Hope this helps!

Which RF lens do you have, and what do you not like about it?

Re: Canon EOS R

sarahbaileywv — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:35:33 GMT

I have the 24-105 mm Lens- I just feel like its slower to focus (when on auto focus v manual) and I lose a bunch of shots of children, animals,sports tc due to that whereas using the adapter, my other lenses are quick and tack sharp. I probably just need to play around with it some more- I just do not think it is worth the added cost when all of my EF/EFS Canon and Sigma lenses work perfectly with the camera. If I had it to do over again, I would have purchased the body only and save >1K. The only lens not fully compatible in my collection is a manual wide angle 12mm Rokinon.

Re: Canon EOS R

Waddizzle — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:58:00 GMT

Your 24-105 may have an issue. It should focus just as quickly and accurately ax your adapted lenses, if not faster.

Your Rolinon might be the one made for APS-C sensors. Since it does not communicate with the camera, the camera does even know it is there.

Re: Canon EOS R

RobertTheFat — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:24:06 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
Your 24-105 may have an issue. It should focus just as quickly and accurately ax your adapted lenses, if not faster.

Your Rolinon might be the one made for APS-C sensors. Since it does not communicate with the camera, the camera does even know it is there.

Communication with the camera should be the same for APS-C and FF lenses, shouldn't it? Otherwise, FF lenses wouldn't work on APS-C cameras, but they all do.

Re: Canon EOS R

ebiggs1 — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:30:54 GMT

"Communication with the camera should be the same for APS-C and FF lenses, shouldn't it?"

Not if it is a Rokinon, "...the camera ~~does even~~ will never know it is there." No Canon camera will.

Re: Canon EOS R

sarahbaileywv — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:03:52 GMT

That's not accurate. It works fine on my 80D unless you try to lock up the mirror- then the shutter will not close. But yes, definitely not satisfied with the 1200 rf lens at this point. May need calibrated or something- haven't messed too much with it since I mostly keep a 35 mm on there. 🙂