topic Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes) in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

wrice4 — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 06:32:53 GMT

Hey guys, I just upgrade my Canon SX50 HS to a a Canon T3i camera with the kit lens, 18-55mm. I formatted the sd card, in the camera, and installed magic lantern + nightly build. My video settings currently are 1920X1080 @ 30fps. I am using a Scandisk Class 10 SDHC 32gb 30mb/s write speed; however, I just tried recording my first video and it shut off at 3 minutes and 30 seconds, saying the stopped recording automatically.

What are the best settings to record a vlog/video to have the best possible quality and to make it where my video(s) don't stop recording under 5 minutes of use? This is my first dslr so I am still learning and trying to figure this situation out on my own, but need some help with this.

P.S. I started a review channel, for youtube, and sit about 2 ft away from the camera. If I left anything out please let me know so I can tell you more.

Edit:

I have read up on this issue I am having. Seems like the 600D is limited to write speeds of 21mb/s so any SD Card write speed over that is fine, as it can not go any higher. Also, Shooting RAW video, with the t3i, can be the problem, as I should probably stick to just the L setting, but im not so sure. Still more researching to do.

Edit: The RAW video resolution was my problem, I think, but I have not tested it out. I have to bring down the resolution to 960x640 at 24fps, in order for the t3i to record in RAW.

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

Waddizzle — Wed, 28 Oct 2015 13:40:20 GMT

I suggest that you start over from scratch, and eliminate possibilities. Get rid of Magic Lantern, and reboot your camera back to its' original state. Reformat your cards. Let's start all over again, as if you never installed Magic Lantern, which WILL VOID your factory warranty. Let's pretend like that never happened. Reset the camera.

Why do you want the camera to record in RAW mode?

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

RobertTheFat — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:28:26 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
I suggest that you start over from scratch, and eliminate possibilities. Get rid of Magic Lantern, and reboot your camera back to its' original state. Reformat your cards. Let's start all over again, as if you never installed Magic Lantern, which WILL VOID your factory warranty. Let's pretend like that never happened. Reset the camera.

Why do you want the camera to record in RAW mode?

I don't disagree with your advice, but one thing has always puzzled me: Why will using Magic Lantern void the Canon factory warranty? My understanding is that ML makes no permanent change to the firmware and therefore doesn't prevent the camera from being returned to factory settings. Given that, how does the warranty prohibit using it?

There seems to be a range of views on the subject, with some asserting that there is no risk and others claiming only that there are various degrees of risk that some unspecified problem will arise that might put the warranty in jeopardy. Since you appear to place yourself at the pessimistic end of that range, this seems like the right time to ask the question.

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

Waddizzle — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:07:40 GMT

I wouldn't say that I';m pessimisting about it. I really do not know that much about all of its' features, but some of them seem to use the hardware in ways for which is what not designed.

I have repaired electronics for decades. A piece of equipment is designed to work within a given set of operationg parameters. it is my understanding that some features of Magic Lantern push the envolope of the operating parameters. I understand that there is a focusing feature that it adds to your camera, which seems to push the operating parameters.

Why is pushing the envelope a bad thing? Because electronic components are designed to work under certain physical conditions. One of those conditions is operating temperature. Pushing the performance of a component can increase the amount of heat that it generates, which raises the operating temperature of the entire device, putting it at greater risk of overheating or component failure.

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

RobertTheFat — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:53:01 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
I wouldn't say that I';m pessimisting about it. I really do not know that much about all of its' features, but some of them seem to use the hardware in ways for which is what not designed.

I have repaired electronics for decades. A piece of equipment is designed to work within a given set of operationg parameters. it is my understanding that some features of Magic Lantern push the envolope of the operating parameters. I understand that there is a focusing feature that it adds to your camera, which seems to push the operating parameters.

Why is pushing the envelope a bad thing? Because electronic components are designed to work under certain physical conditions. One of those conditions is operating temperature. Pushing the performance of a component can increase the amount of heat that it generates, which raises the operating temperature of the entire device, putting it at greater risk of overheating or component failure.

I hear what you're saying, but that isn't the issue. The question is how/why does using ML void the warranty? Does the warranty prohibit ML specifically? Does it prohibit all card-resident software? Just software that poses a danger to the hardware? If so, how is that defined? You said that using ML "WILL VOID" the warranty. You apparently know something I don't, so I'm just trying to learn.

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

Waddizzle — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:01:03 GMT

How? I think ML makes use of the hardware in ways that may exceed the design limitations of the camera's components. You would have to read the fine print in the warranty, but unauthorized firmware is a valid reason to void the warranty on a new camera. It would make no difference whether or not the 3rd party firmware overwrites the Canon firmware.

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

RobertTheFat — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:13:14 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
How? I think ML makes use of the hardware in ways that may exceed the design limitations of the camera's components. You would have to read the fine print in the warranty, but unauthorized firmware is a valid reason to void the warranty on a new camera. It would make no difference whether or not the 3rd party firmware overwrites the Canon firmware.

Well, I'm not a ML user, so I may or may not get around to digging out the warranty and reading it carefully. (And I'm not a lawyer, so my conclusion wouldn't mean much anyway.) So I guess the question still hangs out there: Does or does not use of Magic Lantern void the Canon warranty? Maybe it's time for a Canon Product Expert to weigh in?

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

Waddizzle — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:18:24 GMT

Trust me. We don't know someone wearing a Canon badge to tell us that using unauthorized firmware in the camera will void the warranty. Imagine that you bought a new car, and installed an engine modification that increases the effective horsepower from the engine. Do you think the car manufacturer will honor the warranty if you blow a piston?

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

Stephen — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:37:29 GMT

You cannot void your warranty. Period. However, if using ML does something that damages the camera, let's say it causes the imaging sensor to get scorching hot and that causes banding on your images because you recorded several hours of 1080p video and it's designed to cut off every 12-ish minutes to let it get a few seconds of breathing time (this is all hypothetical, I assure you), and the fine folks at our Factory Service Center have to replace your imaging sensor, they're going to wonder what caused that kind of problem because our firmware has safeguards to prevent this. They'll document it very carefully. It most likely will be covered under the warranty, but if it happens multiple times, they'll catch on and charge you for a sensor replacement. Even under warranty. And imaging sensors are not cheap.

Another tidbit: if there is any other evidence that the camera got way too hot and the internal firmware was circumvented to prevent the camera from shutting down - it won't be covered under warranty. Your warranty won't be voided, but that repair wouldn't be covered.

We know ML is out there. We know people use it. We don't recommend it because our engineers haven't studied how it could affect your camera, so if you choose to use it, you do so at the risk of what could be a costly experiment!

We hope this helps to clarify some things!

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

RobertTheFat — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 02:47:29 GMT

@Stephen the Moderator wrote:
[Explanation of Canon's attitude towards Magic Lantern]

We hope this helps to clarify some things!

As I've said, I'm not a ML user, so I have no dog in this hunt. But your clear, concise clarification of Canon's position should be helpful to those who do. Thank you!

Re: T3i Best Vlog/Video Settings - Stopped Recording Automatically Error (under 5 minutes)

Peter — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:12:15 GMT

With ML and raw video, your sensor will get hot. There is a thermometer showing the temperature. I never got any problem with that, but of course things can breake because of heat, for example solders.

What more likely can happen is that you get wrong properties in NVRAM of the camera. NVRAM works without power. That means you can´t reset it just removing the battery. There are some solutions, but there is always a risk. T3i maybe is cheap enough to play around with?

About raw settings. With your camera your write speed is 21 MB/s. That will give you 960 x 540 px in 24p or 864 x 484 px in 30p. In my opinion not worth it. 5DIII is perfect for raw video. I have 6D and 7D and use ML for recording Dual ISO to increase the dynamic range, for example my moon image here. If my cameras break they break. This is a risk I take.

For normal video recording with your T3i, low level format your card. If you want less noise in your video, use ISO 160, 320, 640, 1250. Less dynamic range but also less noise because ISO 160 is overexposed ISO 200 pulled down in the camera.