topic How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

PCarroll — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:06:08 GMT

I am new to this and so far I love my camera. However shooting these games is sometimes difficult. How do I keep the background from being out of focus. Sometimes using the auto focus it catches someone's arm that closer than the intended subject and I miss the shot. How do I avoid that. Your help is appreciated. Thanks

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

Skirball — Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:49:44 GMT

When you look through the viewfinder you'll see 9 boxes arranged in a pattern. These are the AF points. When using all points the camera checks all points and sees if there is something it can focus on at that point. It then decides what the subject is and focus on it. Sometimes it will jump back and forth between something in the foreground and background. But since the subject is typically in the foreground the camera is typically going to choose that over background noise. In your case, something is coming into the foreground and the camera is choosing that as the focus point since it's the closest. Best way to eliminate is to be cognizant of all AF points when shooting. If things are too dynamic to keep all 9 points free of non-subjects, then move to a single AF point:

If you want precise choice of the focus point then change it to only read the center point. There should be a button on the upper right that allow this. If you half press the shutter the camera will focus on whatever is at the center point. You can then recompose (if you want) and take the photo.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

ebiggs1 — Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:30:33 GMT

Most likely cause is not enough light. Which means the apperture the camera is selecting to get the exposure right is too wide (smaller number). As that number goes down the depth-of-field, DOF, also get smaller. And that means less will be in focus.

Try selecting a higher ISO number. The T5i has an outstanding ISO range and you should be able to use 6400 easily.

Plus I would only use the center focus point for action shots like a BB game.

You do realize there is a limit to what the camera is capable of? Hopefully you are not out of it's ability.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

PCarroll — Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:27:20 GMT

Thanks for the input. It worked well.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

PCarroll — Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:43:27 GMT

Thanks for the advice. I will keep an eye for these numbers and continue to read and study my owners manual.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

TCampbell — Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:57:58 GMT

You may want to try out "back button focus".

This moves the auto-focus activation to a button OTHER than the shutter button. It means that as you track a player on the court, if someone close temporarily gets in the way, the camera will NOT re-focus on that distracting subject. The camera will ONLY focus when you press the "back button". You use a technique with your finger on the shutter as always, but your thumb on the back-button. You activate the focus button with your thumb (or just hold it in) but as you spot someone about to get in your way, you RELEASE the back button so the camera continues to be able to shoot... but wont re-focus. As soon as whatever was in your way is back out of your way, you can press the back-button again to resume focus.

On your camera the 'back button" is the asterisk (*) button -- but you have to enable back-button focus for it to have an effect.

Go into Menu and navigate to Custom Fn. IV "Operation/Others" and scroll over to sub-option 6 which is "Shutter / AE Lock button".

You'll have 4 choices (0 through 3) and "0" is the default. But the key is knowing how to read Canon's notation on this screen. You'll see a partial description, a slash (/), and another partial description. Everything BEFORE the slash (/) will be performed by the front button (shutter button). Everything AFTER the slash will be performed by the back button (the asterisk button).

If, for example, you pick choice #1 "AE lock/AF" it means that if you half press the front button it will perform an AE lock and if you press the back-button it will activate AF. I would probably try #1 or #3 (#3 is identical to #1 except that it wont "lock" the AE after metering... it will meter continuously and since your subject is moving from area to area as you track them and the light may be changing, you probably want continuous metering (hence #3).

If you choose #1 then as soon as you half-press the shutter, it will lock metering and keep that exposure set ... if a subject moves to different lighting it will not update the metering UNLESS you release and half-press the shutter again. Using #3 it will just keep updating the metering as they move.

Back button focusing is popular among a lot of sports photographers but it isn't for everyone (some people hate it) and it does take some time to get used to the feel of it until it comes naturally to you. But once it does finally start to come naturally to you, you'll find you have a LOT more control because now you can indepently control focus vs. shooting (you don't have to force a re-focus (to a subject you didn't want to focus on) just to be able to shoot.)

VERY IMPORANT: If you DO try out back-button focus... don't forget you did that. Otherwise the next time you grab the camera and try to take a photo, you're going to think your AF system is broken when you press the shutter button and nothing focuses (yep... done that!)

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

PCarroll — Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:09:06 GMT

Thanks Tcampbell. That's more information I didn't understand. Saw it in manual but didn't have a clue. Thank u for going into detail and explaining how it works and it's purpose. I will try this and see how it works. I really appreciate all the help. My pictures continue to improve thanks to you all.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

Skirball — Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:24:59 GMT

Start with center point focus, in One Shot mode. You've learned about AF modes, and you've learned how to select and use your AF points. Two valuable skills that will have a positive impact on your photography. Once you've mastered those skills then worry about things like back button focus and whatnot.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

ScottyP — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 00:18:56 GMT

Indoor basketball is very demanding on equipment,mbecause it is a.) fast action, and b.) in dim indoor light. You need a fast shutter to freeze the action, but the fast shutter does not let much light in. And you are already indoors where there isn't a whole lot of light to begin with. This forces you (or it forces your camera, if you are in auto modes) to increase the sensor's light sensitivity setting (ISO), but at high ISO your image quality is poor due to digital noise/ grain and to the camera recording less detail/resolution.

The solution is more expensive lenses with wider apertures to let more light in, but as mentioned above, wide aperture gives shallow depth of field in focus. That out-of-focus background is therefore your friend. It is also a desirable thing, when you get the focus on the intended subject anyway. Your subject will stand out if the background and foreground are blurry.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

ebiggs1 — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:30:43 GMT

"... lenses with wider apertures to let more light in, ..."

If the goal was 'more in focus' that suggestion won't help. The "wider" aperture will make less in focus as the DOF decreases.

The OP either needs to get the focus point more accurate or use a higher ISO to keep the lens aperture smaller (larger number=larger DOF).

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

TCampbell — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:39:03 GMT

To increase the range of distances at which subjects will appear to be in accurate focus (relative to the intended focus distance) you have to shoot at a higher f-stop (focal ratio or "aperture value" -- this is the "Av" setting on the camera).

But it's not quite so simple to get that result. Each time the aperture value inceases by one "stop", the amount of light collected is "halved".

So ideally you'd use an f/2.8 zoom lens like the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II and you'd use that lens at f/2.8. But if you increase to f/4 (that's one stop) the light collected through the lens is halved and now you either have to double the ISO sensitivity OR you have to slow down the shutter time so that the shutter is open twice as long (to compensate for the fact that the lens is now collecting half as much light.)

Ok... suppose you were able to shoot at 1/1000th. Now you're down to 1/500th.

But f/4 is still a pretty low aperture value and not much will be in focus. If you stop down to f/5.6 (another full stop) you've got to slow the shutter speed again... now you're at 1/250th and f/5.6 is still a bit low. You're now collecting just 1/4 of the light you were getting at f/2.8.

Stop down to f/8 and you halve the light again... but now your shutter speed is at 1/125th and that's NOT fast enough to freeze any action. Everyone will be "in focus" but "blurred" due to motion. Also you're now getting just 1/8th of the light you had at f/2.8.

If you could go to f/11 you'd have fantastic depth of field, but now you're getting 1/16th of the light and you have to shoot at 1/60th.

The solution is (you're not going to like this): Just add 16 times more light to the room and you can shoot at f/11 without having to slow down the shutter speed at all.

Of course you can't realistically add 16 times more light to the room. And most venues probably wont let you use flash and even if you could you'd then have to deal with the light "fall off" problem (specifically you can lookup the "inverse-square law").

And THAT is why sports photographers use f/2.8 glass and learn to be clever with their focus system. You can't get everything in focus, but you can be quick about getting your intended subject in focus.

Re: How to keep background in focus when shooting indoor basketball on a t5i 18-135mm

ebiggs1 — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:31:38 GMT

Tim you kept mentioning slower down the shutter but the OP should look at increasing the ISO first. Max it out to what is acceptible before you start to slow the shutter.

Although 1/125 is not as good as a faster shutter, it will freeze some or most BB action. Especially if you are not at the 200mm end of the zoom. Plus some arm blur or ball blur can be very nice.

Even though all this depends on the venue. I have shot some HS, BB, games where the light was pretty decent, some was not. But max out the ISO first as the T5i can do very well there.