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New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 00:45:10 GMT

According to CanonRumors and other sites, such as SonyAlphaRumors, Canon is going to be making a major announcement around 2/14 regarding a new full frame mirrorless camera -- the Canon EOS RP.

According to SonyAlphaRumors:

"On February 14 [Removed 3rd Party Link per Forum Guidelines] a new $1599 entry level Canon EOS-RP Full Frame mirrorless. Sony seems to have learned about that and tomorrow they will launch the first ever discount on the Sony A7III. The camera will get a $200 price drop as you can see from the [Removed 3rd Party Link] image shared on top."

So we shall see. But if true, I am glad that Canon is becoming ultra competitive in full frame mirrorless. Let the price-slashing begin!

Re: New Canon EOS RP

Waddizzle — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 00:50:11 GMT

If they introduced a full frame mirrorless with a frame rate that was at least comparable to a 6D2, and without a control bar, they would have a hit.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 01:05:27 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
If they introduced a full frame mirrorless with a frame rate that was at least comparable to a 6D2, and without a control bar, they would have a hit.

I agree. I would jump all over that. And I think a lot of other guys would too who have been sitting on the full-frame mirrorless sidelines, as it were.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

ebiggs1 — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 07:35:08 GMT

Not interested.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

wq9nsc — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 15:43:56 GMT

I will be interested when it provides clear benefits for what I do without critical drawbacks.

When a mirrorless FF arrives that has equivalent or near equivalent battery life to my current 1DX series bodies, an equally responsive viewfinder, and equivalent or better frame rate then I will be interested but in order to dump my current crop of L series EF lenses it will have to provide significantly better low light sensor performance than what I have in my current 1DX and 1DX 2 bodies.

And when it reaches the point of dumping my current lenses it will be time to make sure that I am confident that the Canon family is where I would want to spend my photography expenditures and time. I have shot primarily Canon gear for close to 30 years but once it is time to dump a lot of existing glass I would at least want to look at the total package of benefits from competitors.

Rodger

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:20:26 GMT

@wq9nsc wrote:
I will be interested when it provides clear benefits for what I do without critical drawbacks.

When a mirrorless FF arrives that has equivalent or near equivalent battery life to my current 1DX series bodies, an equally responsive viewfinder, and equivalent or better frame rate then I will be interested but in order to dump my current crop of L series EF lenses it will have to provide significantly better low light sensor performance than what I have in my current 1DX and 1DX 2 bodies.

And when it reaches the point of dumping my current lenses it will be time to make sure that I am confident that the Canon family is where I would want to spend my photography expenditures and time. I have shot primarily Canon gear for close to 30 years but once it is time to dump a lot of existing glass I would at least want to look at the total package of benefits from competitors.

Rodger

Well, the thread isn't really about the mirrorless full-frame market as it stands today. It was about the EOS RP proposed release. You and Ernie don't seem to understand the market segment that the EOS RP is aimed at.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

ebiggs1 — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:55:21 GMT

"You and Ernie don't seem to understand the market segment that the EOS RP is aimed at."

Well I do a little and it looks like Rodger does also. It ain't us!

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Thu, 07 Feb 2019 23:05:20 GMT

OK, the specs have officially leaked. This is going to be an interesting release. Some will love it, others will hate it. The body has been downsized, the dopey multifunction bar is gone, but the top LCD screen is gone, too, which is too bad. But if the prices hold up, I'll be getting one. See more at TheVerge, TechRadar, Engadget, etc.

According to TheVerge:

Noki**bleep**a says the RP will feature a 26.2MP full-frame CMOS sensor (borrowed from the 6D Mark II, I’d guess) with Canon’s signature dual-pixel autofocus system and the Digic 8 image processor. Continuous shooting will top out at 5 fps, and the native ISO range is reported to be 100-40,000, which is the same as on the EOS R.

The EOS RP is rumored to cost either $1,499 or $1,599, according to CanonRumors, so this is very much meant to be the mainstream, entry-level product in Canon’s new mirrorless line. Canon will also use the camera’s introduction — pegged for February 14th — to expand its lineup of RF-mount lenses with at least five new options.

Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L USM
Canon RF 15-35mm f/2.8L IS USM
Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM
Canon RF 24-240mm f/4-6.3 IS USM
Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

Combined with the launch lenses, that’s a much bigger native lens selection than what Nikon is currently offering for its Z6 and Z7. The EOS R will remain the more capable of these two cameras in terms of specs and performance — which is no surprise due to its higher price point — but making it cheaper to get started with Canon’s all-new camera system is a wise move. Hopefully, the RP won’t have too many obvious downsides meant to push people toward the pricier R.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

RobertTheFat — Fri, 08 Feb 2019 04:02:33 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"You and Ernie don't seem to understand the market segment that the EOS RP is aimed at."

Well I do a little and it looks like Rodger does also. It ain't us!

It ain't me either. But it shows that Canon is determined to stay in the game. And that's important to all of us.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:29:26 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
"You and Ernie don't seem to understand the market segment that the EOS RP is aimed at."

Well I do a little and it looks like Rodger does also. It ain't us!
It ain't me either. But it shows that Canon is determined to stay in the game. And that's important to all of us.

Well said, Robert. Aside from making great cameras and superior lenses, Canon has also thrived because it knows what it's doing in R&D and subsequent marketing. This EOS RP camera, if relased close to what the specs reveal, should be an immediate hit and earn Canon boatloads of money. At a size and general configuration comparable to existing Rebels, many will pick it up and feel at home in short order. While pros and spec-sheet warriors will continue to cry their eyes out beause an entry-level FF mirrorless camera isn't on par with their 1DX, Canon is reportedly developing a 100+ megapixel mirrorless camera they can Ooo-and-Ahh over. Till then I think the RP will meet the needs of its intended market perfectly. And at an entry-level price.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 00:45:30 GMT

Canon Rumors says it has confirmed that the EOS RP will be released at a cost of $1299 and come in 3 different kits:

Canon EOS RP body w/EG-E1 Extension Grip & Canon Mount Adapter $1299
Canon EOS RP w/EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM, EG-E1 Extension Grip & Canon Mount Adapter $1699
Canon EOS RP w/RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, EG-E1 Extension Grip & Canon Mount Adapter $2199

That is a lot of entry-level mirrorless camera for the price points. If true, I believe that Canon should have a runaway hit on its hands. I will be keeping a sharp eye on B&H and as soon as pre-orders are opened up, I intend to jump all over it.

See CanonRumors and others for specs.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

RobertTheFat — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:23:18 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
Canon Rumors says it has confirmed that the EOS RP will be released at a cost of $1299 and come in 3 different kits:

Canon EOS RP body w/EG-E1 Extension Grip & Canon Mount Adapter $1299
Canon EOS RP w/EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM, EG-E1 Extension Grip & Canon Mount Adapter $1699
Canon EOS RP w/RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, EG-E1 Extension Grip & Canon Mount Adapter $2199
That is a lot of entry-level mirrorless camera for the price points. If true, I believe that Canon should have a runaway hit on its hands. I will be keeping a sharp eye on B&H and as soon as pre-orders are opened up, I intend to jump all over it.

See CanonRumors and others for specs.

All kits have an extension grip. Translation: It's going to be a battery hog.

What do we actually know about the RF 24-105 f/4L? Does it render the omission from the kits of the EF 24-105 f/4L irrelevant?

Re: New Canon EOS RP

kvbarkley — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 16:40:12 GMT

Ken Rockwell has a hands on of the RP and the 24-105:

https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/rp.htm

https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/lenses/24-105mm.htm

Re: New Canon EOS RP

kvbarkley — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 16:46:40 GMT

One interesting feature that KR points out is that you can get a real DOF preview, since the finder brightens when you activate it.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 17:34:35 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
Ken Rockwell has a hands on of the RP and the 24-105:
https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/rp.htm

https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/lenses/24-105mm.htm

I am going through Rockwell's review now, as I intend on placing my pre-order with B&H right after I get my wife's permission, hopefully later today. Having read numerous reviews already, I can tell you that the things I won't like, I can live with. First and formost, the projected battery life is beyond horrendous at an estimated 250 shots per charge. My workaround will be to just carry some spares and use ECO and select a lower frame-rate EVF mode to extend battery life a bit. Still, the numbers suck, even when using the LCD.

The other thing I might not like is the eyepiece cup itself, as it appears quite shallow. Another reviewer said he also noticed that at first due to some light bleed, then completely adapted to it in about 10 minutes. So we shall see.

Speaking of Rockwell, I see that he was using the native RF 24-105mm f/4L IS lens. The photos look great.

As for video specs, I couldn't care less.

On a side note, I see that this release, which should set all kinds of sales records, is putting the S*ny fanboys, Canon haters, and spec-sheet warriors on the verge of a nervous breakdown. They are completely beside themselves, declaring the EOS RP a dismal failure and whining about the lack of C-Log and whatnot. Their temper tantrums are nearly worth the cost of the camera itself. Good job, Canon! 🙂

Re: New Canon EOS RP

Waddizzle — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 00:46:36 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
@kvbarkley wrote:
Ken Rockwell has a hands on of the RP and the 24-105:
https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/rp.htm

https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/lenses/24-105mm.htm
I am going through Rockwell's review now, as I intend on placing my pre-order with B&H right after I get my wife's permission, hopefully later today. Having read numerous reviews already,

I can tell you that the things I won't like, I can live with.

First and formost, the projected battery life is beyond horrendous at an estimated 250 shots per charge. My workaround will be to just carry some spares and use ECO and select a lower frame-rate EVF mode to extend battery life a bit. Still, the numbers suck, even when using the LCD.

Good job, Canon! 🙂

Do not compromise on what you want in your gear. In my experience, if you have doubts, then do not buy it. You will only wind up buying something else, which will most likely have some sort of compromise, too.

Now, instead of having what you really wanted, you have spent even more money on stuff that wasn’t quite what you wanted.

[EDIT] I do not know the reasons behind the drop in frame rate in AI Servo tracking mode, but it is a complete non-starter for me. This camera is made for the hobbyist, who is far from being a true enthusiast, shooting 1000 photos per week.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

John_SD — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:38:41 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
Do not compromise on what you want in your gear. In my experience, if you have doubts, then do not buy it. You will only wind up buying something else, which will most likely have some sort of compromise, too.

Now, instead of having what you really wanted, you have spent even more money on stuff that wasn’t quite what you wanted.

[EDIT] I do not know the reasons behind the drop in frame rate in AI Servo tracking mode, but it is a complete non-starter for me. This camera is made for the hobbyist, who is far from being a true enthusiast, shooting 1000 photos per week.

You make some great points, which I really hadn't considered in my desire to jump into full frame mirrorless. To be honest, the battery issue is starting to give me pause. It's one thing to carry around a spare or two, but to have to stop what you're doing every few hours to swap out batteries, and do that every time you shoot, is going to get old fast.One reviewer had to swap out the battery after 50 minutes.

Also, the issue you pointed out regarding the drop in frame rate in AI Servo tracking mode is something that I missed in the reviews. That would be a huge minus for me as someone who basically is an outdoor photographer.

This camera will no doubt be a major hit, should put some serious pricing pressure on Sony and Nikon, and will redefine what an "entry level" full frame mirrorless camera should cost. But I agree, the trade-offs to achieve this low price are so steep as to make this more of a hobbyist camera than an enthusiast rig. Pity, as my wife gave me her grudging approval to purchase it LOL. Thanks for your clear-eyed assessment.

Re: New Canon EOS RP

ebiggs1 — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:15:38 GMT

"Do not compromise on what you want in your gear. ... if you have doubts, then do not buy it. You will only wind up buying something else, ... Now, instead of having what you really wanted, you have spent even more money on stuff that wasn’t quite what you wanted."

I must say, it hurts but, I almost totally agree with this. I would replace the word "wanted" with "needed". I have seen it way too often. Most times people buy too quickly. It is human nature I suppose because you are so excited to get new gear. But you really need to go slow. I guarantee it will be cheaper in the long run.