topic Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

scottjg24 — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:24:03 GMT

I've had my T5i since September 2015 and I would like to know how do I shoot in grayscale/black & white straight from the camera insteaad of later going into Photoshop to change from color to grayscale/black & white.

Thanks.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

Crista — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:15:07 GMT

Hi scottjg24!

The EOS Rebel T5i is able to shoot in monochrome. You can do so by following these directions:

We hope this helps you out!

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

Waddizzle — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:24:23 GMT

Also, be sure to save your photos as JPEG format.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

ebiggs1 — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 14:36:33 GMT

Or, shoot RAW where it make no difference.

I am curious as to why? RAW and PS offer much more creative control.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

RobertTheFat — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:26:35 GMT

ebiggs1 wrote:
Or, shoot RAW where it make no difference.
I am curious as to why? RAW and PS offer much more creative control.

And in DPP, B&W is a picture style, so an edited RAW file can maintain a color version of the image and a B&W version simultaneously. It wouldn't surprise me if Lightroom had a similar capability.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

ebiggs1 — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:38:30 GMT

B from B,

There is a new version. Digital Photo Professional 4.5.20 for Windows

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

RobertTheFat — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:35:53 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
B from B,
There is a new version. Digital Photo Professional 4.5.20 for Windows

Yeah, I know; I've been using it since it became available on the U.S. site (a week or two). As far as I can see, it still treats the monochrome picture style the same way as previous releases did.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

scottjg24 — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:20:31 GMT

Okay. I adjusted the settings to monochrome with my camera set in RAW mode, which is required for my photography classes @ IPFW (Indiana-Purdue University at Fort Wayne, IN) and when I downloaded the images from my memory card to Adobe Bridge CC and then Adobe Photoshop CC 2016, they came out in color. Would they come out in monochrome if I used the JPEG setting?

I double-checked everything and I am just baffled........

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

RobertTheFat — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:07:35 GMT

@scottjg24 wrote:
@Okay. I adjusted the settings to monochrome with my camera set in RAW mode, which is required for my photography classes @ IPFW (Indiana-Purdue University at Fort Wayne, IN) and when I downloaded the images from my memory card to Adobe Bridge CC and then Adobe Photoshop CC 2016, they came out in color. Would they come out in monochrome if I used the JPEG setting?

Probably. Remember that the whole point of RAW mode is that it retains all the information the camera saw, including color. A RAW file, as it comes out of the camera, will also retain various choices that you made, including the default picture style to be used to display it. But how that information (usually referred to as "metadata") is used depends on the editor. If you had opened the file in Digital Photo Professional (Canon's editor), I think it would have displayed in B&W, because it understands that you selected "monochrome" as the default picture style. (It would also let you select another picture style if you decided you wanted to see the picture in color.) A third-party editor like PS or LR isn't bound to obey that convention, or even to notice that a default picture style had been selected. But if you tell LR or PS to display or print in monochrome, it will.

But when you tell the camera to produce a JPEG, it applies the default picture style (and any other choices you made) as part of the process and then throws the metadata away. So if monochrome is what you asked for, that's what you get; and you no longer have the option of restoring the colors.

EDIT: I guess I should have added that when you use an editor to convert a RAW image to JPEG, the metadata isn't retained in the resulting JPEG file. So once again, if you tell the editor to produce a monochrome JPEG, that's what you get and you can't change it later. But that doesn't matter, as long as you save the RAW file.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

Waddizzle — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:02:10 GMT

@scottjg24 wrote:
@Okay. I adjusted the settings to monochrome with my camera set in RAW mode, which is required for my photography classes @ IPFW (Indiana-Purdue University at Fort Wayne, IN) and when I downloaded the images from my memory card to Adobe Bridge CC and then Adobe Photoshop CC 2016, they came out in color. Would they come out in monochrome if I used the JPEG setting?

I double-checked everything and I am just baffled........

Yes. If you choose "Monochrome" in the camera, and JPEG as the file format, you will get B&W JPEGs. I would suggest that you save the images in both formats, RAW + JPEG.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

ebiggs1 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:11:41 GMT

All RAW files are essentially B&W pictures. This means they have only luminance information.

It is the "Demosaicing" that turns them into color pictures.

If you shoot JPG the demosaicing is done in camera. The resulting JPG is a grayscale image.

If you shoot RAW only the thumbnail is rendered in the camera. The information of the picture style, in this case B&W, is embedded into the RAW metadata.

When you import them into LR, it has no idea that you used the camera's built-in processing to convert them to B&W. For various reasons, LR/ACR won't generally recognise any "custom" in-camera adjustments so they of course won't appear on import. None of them, not just B&W!

Adobe could try to reverse engineer the metadata settings from Canon CR2 files but they didn't. Adobe (LR/PS/ACR) treats RAW for what it is, a RAW file.

If you want them to remain as shot, you need to shoot jpeg.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

TCampbell — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 17:13:49 GMT

There are reasons why it's usually preferable to do the B&W conversion on the computer rather than in-camera.

In the days of B&W "film" photography, the photography would put a color filter on the front of the camera to alter the image by selectively deciding which colors can pass through and which colors are reduced (even though what we're going for is a Black & White image). This alters the contrast.

For example... if I shoot a photo of a "red" fire hydrant against a "blue" sky with "green" grass, then the tonal values of each item will be different if I use no filter at all... vs. using a "red" or "blue" or "green" filter on the camera.

Any color in real life that matches the filters color will be allowed to pass through the filter without being blocked at all. Those parts of the image will therefore be the brightest and resemble "white" in your black & white image. But colors which do not match will be blocked and will appear "dark" in the image. If I use "red" filter to shoot that fire hydrant, the hydrant will appear "white" and the sky and grass will be "dark" and this will really punch up the fire hydrant in front of the background.

Here are some sample images to help you get the idea. These four images are all really just the same single digital image... but processed digitally using the "color" filters.

First, the color image (so you know what we're dealing with). This is an old electrical generator.

Notice that most of the generator is painted "red".

First, I'll show you a straight black & white conversion (no filters are used)

But now look at what happens if I use a "Red" filter (and from the original color image, you know that most of the painted surfaces are "red"... this means they wont be blocked but non-red things will be somewhat blocked.)

You can certainly see how the "red" filter made all the "red" painted parts of the machine appear "white" (because a red filter lets the red light through but blocks non-red light.)

Here's a "Green" conversion.

In this image, we know that there isn't much "green" in the image. So the result is a rather dark looking image. But imagine if this was an outdoor landscape with green trees, green grasses, etc.... the "green" conversion would really brighten those areas but darken down everything else.

You can use these "color" filters when you perform black & white conversions to alter the look of the black & white image and get a very different result than a straight (non-filtered) conversion.

Lastly... If you shoot "RAW" on your camera... even if you told the camera to shoot black & white, you'll still get a color image. That's because RAW is RAW. You get all the data (and "all the data" included color info). The camera simply notes in the meta-data that you requested a B&W conversion so that computer software might know to auto-apply it.

Re: Rebel T5i & How do I shoot in grayscale/black & White right from my T6i

ReneeNix — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:09:23 GMT

I have rebel T6 and this worked! Thanks soooo much! I wish I would have known this earlier! LOL