topic Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:44:47 GMT

Hello,

for years I´ve been using Canon and Zeiss manual only lenses with several 5D bodies (currently 5DIV).
It is sometimes hard to focus.
At last we will have this new Canon EOS R with Focus Peaking and Focus Assist like the Cinema cameras.
Anyone looking forward to use these features for stills with manual lenses or am I the only dinossaur using manual only glass?
Anyone using these Peaking with another brand with good results?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Regards.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

kvbarkley — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:54:59 GMT

Ken Rockwell reports that the AF is much better on the R, it focuses his 50mm/1.2 better than his DSLRs.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:01:50 GMT

@Cunha wrote:
Hello,

for years I´ve been using Canon and Zeiss manual only lenses with several 5D bodies (currently 5DIV).
It is sometimes hard to focus.
At last we will have this new Canon EOS R with Focus Peaking and Focus Assist like the Cinema cameras.
Anyone looking forward to use these features for stills with manual lenses or am I the only dinossaur using manual only glass?
Anyone using these Peaking with another brand with good results?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Regards.

I am not surprised to learn the EOS R has Focus Peaking. The M Series of mirrorless bodies have always had it.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:06:02 GMT

I am sorry for my ignorance but will Focus Peaking and Focus Assist work for stills or just for video recording?

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:25:26 GMT

@Cunha wrote:
I am sorry for my ignorance but will Focus Peaking and Focus Assist work for stills or just for video recording?

I cannot speak for the EOS R.

But, I use focus peaking all the time on my M3 with a Rokinon 14mm. I can take hundreds of still shots with it. In Stills and Movie Mode, the M3 has Touch Focus Assist with my EF-M 22 f/2 STM lens. I have not tried Movie Mode with the Rokinon 14mm.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:39:33 GMT

Thank you Waddizzle.

The "Touch Focus Assist" (your M3 camera) is the same as the Cinema cameras Focus Assist (ex: C300 II)?

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:49:54 GMT

@Cunha wrote:
Thank you Waddizzle.
The "Touch Focus Assist" (your M3 camera) is the same as the Cinema cameras Focus Assist (ex: C300 II)?

Similar, but not exactly the same as Cinema bodies. More like a dumbed down version. Cinema bodies have more complex focusing features.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:52:12 GMT

Thanks. I know the the C300 II Focus Assist. I hope to find the same at the EOS R .-), but for stills.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:07:04 GMT

@Cunha wrote:
Thanks. I know the the C300 II Focus Assist. I hope to find the same at the EOS R .-), but for stills.

There is a MAJOR difference between Focus Assist and Focus Peaking. You seem to be conflating the two tools.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:09:56 GMT

I know both very well and they´re two different features. I´ve used both with Cinema cameras. But of course for video. Now I want that for stills work.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:13:04 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
Ken Rockwell reports that the AF is much better on the R, it focuses his 50mm/1.2 better than his DSLRs.

I can only imagine. My M3 is razor sharp with the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM.

The M3 has a 24 MP APS-C sensor. Supposedly it is the same as the one found in the 80D, AFAIK.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:17:13 GMT

@Cunha wrote:
I know both very well and they´re two different features. I´ve used both with Cinema cameras. But of course for video. Now I want that for stills work.

Most Canon DSLRs released in recent have had Touch AF Assist. Seeing how the EOS-M has focus peaking, I would not be surprised if the EOS R did not have it, I would wait until the destruction manual is released, and see what that says.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:25:15 GMT

Maybe I am wrong in one thing ,-) Names.
In Cinema cameras the feature is; as long as I remenber; "Focus Assist" and in EOS R system is/will be "Focus Guide"? But the function is the same with a green square and free arrows.
It will be a huge help for the MP-E 65mm, the Tilt & Shift lenses and the Zeiss ZE lenses.
Peaking is another feature and present on other brands too.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:53:11 GMT

@Cunha wrote:
Maybe I am wrong in one thing ,-) Names.
In Cinema cameras the feature is; as long as I remenber; "Focus Assist" and in EOS R system is/will be "Focus Guide"? But the function is the same with a green square and free arrows.
It will be a huge help for the MP-E 65mm, the Tilt & Shift lenses and the Zeiss ZE lenses.
Peaking is another feature and present on other brands too.

There you go again. Those are manual focus lenses that lack AF, so the Touch AF Assist feature will not work with them. You are conflating Focus Peaking and Focus Assist. Peaking is peaking, but Focus Assist is AF Tracking of a moving subject, or face.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:32:43 GMT

Maybe it is "Focus Guide" ,-)

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

maciej — Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:57:52 GMT

I guess I will show my ignorance. I use my M5 with manual lenses in shoot without lens mode - not problem - great results.

How do I set my EOS R to shoot without lens so I can use manual lenses?

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:16:43 GMT

I don´t own an EOS R yet but I think you just use a manual only lenses for the EF mount via the adapter. No need further changes I guess.

I will use my Zeiss ZE lenses and the Canon MP-E macro just like I use them with the 5DIV but; with the help of Focus Guide and maybe Peaking. 🙂

Focus Guide work with the lenses focus ring and also with the MP-E lenses that focus with a rail (I move the camera with the lenses to focus, because there´s no focus ring; it is a unique lenses).

So Focus Guide is indeed a very welcome feature IMHO.

Hope it helps.

Please, let us know what manual only lenses are you using with the EOS R and results. Thanks.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Waddizzle — Tue, 23 Oct 2018 01:04:14 GMT

@maciej wrote:
I guess I will show my ignorance. I use my M5 with manual lenses in shoot without lens mode - not problem - great results.
How do I set my EOS R to shoot without lens so I can use manual lenses?

All of EOS M Series bodies have focus peaking, which is great for manual focusing. However, many manual lenses do not communicate with the camera body. All of the EOS M bodies seem to have a menu setting which disables the shutter from being released when the camera cannot detect a lens has been attached.

I have little doubt that the EOS R has a similar setting in its’ menus, as well as focus peaking on the LCD display.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

maciej — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:40:16 GMT

On my R camera I found the setting for "Release Shutter without Lens" under the Menu, Camera Symbol, item 5. Checked and it worked fine.

I use a manual lens on my M5 but I have not found a manual lens that appeals to me for the R yet. Yes the focus peaking is a wonderful thing.

Re: Canon EOS R with manual only lenses

Cunha — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:48:50 GMT

Thanks a lot for your feedback ,-) Lets us know more about your new manual lenses with the R.