topic Re: M5 or M6 or M50 OR the EOS R? in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

M5 or M6 or M50

TheRogue — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:35:18 GMT

Hi Guys. As subject line - I want something for a bit of general photography and maybe video. I'm usually attracted to price - that being that if its more expensive it must be better. But is this right in this case? There's a significant difference in price between the M5 and M6 and yet the M6 is the later product. And what about the M50? So... any thoughts?

Re: M5 or M6?

kvbarkley — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:34:51 GMT

Depends on how much an EVF and better lens is worth to you. Only you can answer that.

Re: M5 or M6?

TheRogue — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:42:12 GMT

Oh - I thought the lens mounts were the same, no?

Re: M5 or M6?

kvbarkley — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:57:59 GMT

They are, but the cameras come with a specific lens, some better than others:

M5 - 18-150 mm

M6 - 15 - 45 mm

M50 - 15-45 mm

Re: M5 or M6?

TheRogue — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:00:46 GMT

Yeah my thought was to select a body and then review lenses seperately.

Re: M5 or M6?

Tronhard — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:36:49 GMT

@TheRogue wrote:
Yeah my thought was to select a body and then review lenses seperately.

Personally I always look at the glass as my first concern. Primariily because lenses change less often and hold their price (much more than bodies) and bodies change and update very quickly.

If you are looking at the M-series there is a limited range of EF-M lenses, but if you get the EF to EF-M adaptor you can use all of Canon's EF lenses, offering much higher quality and faster glass. That said, there is an ergonomic disadvantage to having a honking great lens on a small, light body.

If you want the M series, I would ask if you intend to do any serious telephoto (particularly stills) work: if that is so I would go with the M-5 or M-50 as they both have built in EVFs - using the EV against your brow to give 3 points of contact and support allows you a much more stable support than holding it with just two hands. The M-5 is a higher-end unit for stills (but only has HD video), but the M-50 seems to have moved (at the cost of some stills features) more to the needs of videographers with 4K and a fully rotating LCD screen (the M-5's LCD has a much more limited range of travel and is virtually impossible to use for selfies on a tripod). DPReview has a fairly good review of both bodies.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

Waddizzle — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:37:19 GMT

@TheRogue wrote:
Hi Guys. As subject line - I want something for a bit of general photography and maybe video. I'm usually attracted to price - that being that if its more expensive it must be better. But is this right in this case? There's a significant difference in price between the M5 and M6 and yet the M6 is the later product. And what about the M50? So... any thoughts?

Is there any reason why all of the cameras you have listed are mirrorless?

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

Tronhard — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:17:33 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
@TheRogue wrote:
Hi Guys. As subject line - I want something for a bit of general photography and maybe video. I'm usually attracted to price - that being that if its more expensive it must be better. But is this right in this case? There's a significant difference in price between the M5 and M6 and yet the M6 is the later product. And what about the M50? So... any thoughts?
Is there any reason why all of the cameras you have listed are mirrorless?

Good point... {:-)

Re: M5 or M6?

TheRogue — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:18:33 GMT

You are right of course. The glass is the single most important thing. To be honest I only lean towards the best glass available. I have with all of my DSLR cameras. Getting the best M series lens would be the same, I suspect. Is there like an equivelent to the L series, for the M? I don't mean actual L series via adaptor.

I dont think I would be using my L series lenses on whichever M I get - simply because it would defeat the object of why I considering downsizing, to a point.

Your paragraph on the M series bodies is very useful, so thabk you for that. What you have said will help sway my decision I am sure.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

TheRogue — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:21:47 GMT

Indeed there is. I currently use a 5D3, 28-70mm 2.8 2, 50mm 1.2 and 70-210mm f2.8 IS. I am downsizing. I have considered a high quality compact but I've been there before and they always leave me feeling 'wanting'. I thought the M series was a good middle ground.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

Tronhard — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:57:40 GMT

@TheRogue wrote:
Indeed there is. I currently use a 5D3, 28-70mm 2.8 2, 50mm 1.2 and 70-210mm f2.8 IS. I am downsizing. I have considered a high quality compact but I've been there before and they always leave me feeling 'wanting'. I thought the M series was a good middle ground.

I did the same when I was almost crippled with arthritis in my knee. Humping about 3kg of camera gear around just wasn't an option for me. I got the M5 along with the 18-150, the 55-200 and the 11-22mm lenses. The were reasonably sharp but slow. I already had an EOS M with the 18-55.

I have had a full knee replacement and can now use my full range of heavy camera gear again but will continue to use the M-gear as the occasion arises. I carry some kind of camera with me almost all the time, but when I am not going out to photograph I usually take something light, inconspicuous and convenient.

I recommend going to DPREVIEW where you can call up the 3 bodies and put them on a comparison chart.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

RobertTheFat — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:27:28 GMT

@TheRogue wrote:
Hi Guys. As subject line - I want something for a bit of general photography and maybe video. I'm usually attracted to price - that being that if its more expensive it must be better. But is this right in this case? There's a significant difference in price between the M5 and M6 and yet the M6 is the later product. And what about the M50? So... any thoughts?

If price isn't a major consideration (and maybe even if it is), I wouldn't consider buying any mirrorless camera until the rumors of an impending Canon full-frame mirrorless either come to fruition or are put to rest. Such a camera could have the effect of rendering the current members of Canon's mirrorless product line virtually obsolete.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

TheRogue — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:36:21 GMT

Well, I hear this. BUT, if there isnt even a confirmation of a full frame mirroless coming from Canon, let alone a release date, then that makes waiting hard. I'm almost 60 and not getting any yonger!

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

kvbarkley — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:52:59 GMT

I am sure it will just add to the current choices. In this case, since size and portability is a concern, any new FF mirrorless will probably not affect that decision very much.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

TheRogue — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:09:35 GMT

I think it has a huge impact on lenses though - where the focal length as stated on M series now, won't then apply to FF. Maybe L series lenses come back into their own again then. And then the subject of downsizing becomes an issue again. Decisions, decisions!

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

kvbarkley — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:18:25 GMT

The focal length of a lens is the focal length of a lens, a physical property that has nothing to do with the format.

M series cameras use an APS-C sized sensor, so you need to multiply the focal length by 1.6 to see what the view would be for a FF camera, but that is just a convention.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

RobertTheFat — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:36:22 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
The focal length of a lens is the focal length of a lens, a physical property that has nothing to do with the format.

M series cameras use an APS-C sized sensor, so you need to multiply the focal length by 1.6 to see what the view would be for a FF camera, but that is just a convention.

Very true. But the focal ranges (11-16, 17-55, 50-150, ...) that are most convenient on an APS-C camera are not the ones (16-35, 24-70, 70-200, ...) that are most convenient on a full-frame camera.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

ebiggs1 — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:45:06 GMT

"I wouldn't consider buying any mirrorless camera ~~until the rumors ................."~~

Period! Certainly not from a 5 series.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

TheRogue — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:48:45 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"I wouldn't consider buying any mirrorless camera ~~until the rumors ................."~~

Period! Certainly not from a 5 series.

I'm talking seriously of downsizing. My FF kit doesnt get anywhere near the use it should. I've had the 5d3 about 2 yrs and although I don;t know exaclty the click count - I'd be surpised if its more than 5k.

Re: M5 or M6 or M50

TheRogue — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:50:00 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
The focal length of a lens is the focal length of a lens, a physical property that has nothing to do with the format.

M series cameras use an APS-C sized sensor, so you need to multiply the focal length by 1.6 to see what the view would be for a FF camera, but that is just a convention.

Yes I may have worded my point incorrectly, but the point remains.