topic Re: Using a Rebel in the UK in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Using a Rebel in the UK

denimknight — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 10:59:37 GMT

Hi all,

New to the forum and looking for some help.

I currently use a bridge camera and am looking to move up to a DSLR, want to give astro photography a try.

I'm on a bit of budget so I'm going a second hand camera. I have the choice between:

Rebel T1i

EOS 500D

Rebel T2i

EOS 550D

I know that the T1i and 500D are the same camera just named differently (same with the T2i and 550D), but was wondering if the Rebel versions will work ok over here in the UK or if I'll need to get some kind of adapter.

Also price wise, there is £30 between the T1i and T2i, is there enough of a difference between these two cameras to pay the extra £30 or will I not really notice the difference?

Hope you can help.

Thanks

Alex

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

RobertTheFat — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 12:26:08 GMT

@denimknight wrote:
Hi all,

New to the forum and looking for some help.

I currently use a bridge camera and am looking to move up to a DSLR, want to give astro photography a try.

I'm on a bit of budget so I'm going a second hand camera. I have the choice between:

Rebel T1i
EOS 500D
Rebel T2i
EOS 550D

I know that the T1i and 500D are the same camera just named differently (same with the T2i and 550D), but was wondering if the Rebel versions will work ok over here in the UK or if I'll need to get some kind of adapter.

Also price wise, there is £30 between the T1i and T2i, is there enough of a difference between these two cameras to pay the extra £30 or will I not really notice the difference?

Hope you can help.

Thanks

Alex

The T2i was considered to be a significant improvement over the Ti1; so all other things (condition, etc.) being equal, the T2i should be worth the extra money. But buying used equipment is always a gamble, so be careful. If you're dealing with a camera store, make sure they're reputable and try to get a guarantee that lets you return the camera if it doesn't work out. I don't know whether there's something comparable in the UK, but in the US Canon operates an online store that sells refurbished equipment, on an "as available" basis, with a guarantee comparable to the one they provide on new equipment.

You don't mention lenses. Unless they're all identical, any differences might affect your decision.

The nomenclature differences won't affect the cameras' performance. But it's possible that the "Rebels" may have U.S. battery chargers, in which case you'd probably need an adapter. I believe all Canon chargers work on both 110V and 220V AC, but our wall outlets are different from yours.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

denimknight — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 12:52:25 GMT

Hi Bob,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. The company I'm getting the camera from is pretty well known over here and does offer a guarantee and has a good reputation.

Both cameras are body only so I'll be buying the lens seperate... Probably an EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, either the IS or the IS STM model.

Thanks for the assist.

Cheers

Alex

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

ebiggs1 — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 14:08:02 GMT

"... there is £30 between the T1i and T2i, is there enough of a difference ..."

Almost always better to go with the newer model.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

RobertTheFat — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 14:58:12 GMT

@denimknight wrote:
Hi Bob,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. The company I'm getting the camera from is pretty well known over here and does offer a guarantee and has a good reputation.

Both cameras are body only so I'll be buying the lens seperate... Probably an EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, either the IS or the IS STM model.

Thanks for the assist.

Cheers

Alex

Definitely consider the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 if you can find one at a decent price. (And I can tell you straightaway that Ernie Biggs will agree with that recommendation.)

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

ebiggs1 — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 14:59:59 GMT

Plus 1.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

denimknight — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 15:12:20 GMT

Thanks for the advice, I'll see if I can find one 🙂

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

Bryston3bsst — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 15:51:47 GMT

I had a 500D (T1i) and a 600D (T3i). Someone above mentioned that there was a 'significant' difference between the T1i and a T2i. I beg to differ. I noticed little to no difference in any aspect of the two cameras that I had. Both had fine picture quality and both functionally were very similar, I can't of anything worth mentioning between the two.

I was quite happy with both in the time I owned them and I think you will enjoy either one of them.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

RobertTheFat — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:30:20 GMT

@Bryston3bsst wrote:
I had a 500D (T1i) and a 600D (T3i). Someone above mentioned that there was a 'significant' difference between the T1i and a T2i. I beg to differ. I noticed little to no difference in any aspect of the two cameras that I had. Both had fine picture quality and both functionally were very similar, I can't of anything worth mentioning between the two.

I was quite happy with both in the time I owned them and I think you will enjoy either one of them.

You are obviously free to differ. (You don't even have to beg.) But I guess it didn't occur to you to compare the sensors of your two cameras. The T1i's was 15MP; that of the T2i, the T3i, and a variety of other fairly recent Canon DSLRs (including even the 7D) was a more modern 18MP design. A perfectly natural oversight, unless you happened to read the manuals.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

kvbarkley — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:57:20 GMT

Well, 15 to 18MP is not usually a noticable difference. For a square sensor you are going from 3870 x 3870 to 4240x4240, only a 10% difference.

ETA: There, of course, could be great improvements in other electronics, espicially the DIGIC that can greatly influence IQ. Canon kept this 18MP sensor for a long time, so there must have been something good about it.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

ebiggs1 — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 19:05:35 GMT

Probably the biggest myth in cameraworld is the sensor. Folks think they know more about sensors than anything else in a camera but actually they know less. More MP is always better. Right? No not necessarily. More current supporting electronics is worth more. Very much more!

A quick glance at the two manuals (my son's kids have both models) shows the T2i has;

Better color depth 22.1 bits vs 21.7 bits.
Supports 24p.
Low light performance. The T2i has a slight edge (0.2 f-stops) in low-noise, high-ISO performance.
Significantly higher resolution screen.
External mic jack.
Higher frame rate movies 1080p @ 30fps vs 1080p @ 20fps.
18 MP vs 15 mp better image quality.
Slightly longer battery life.

Almost always it is best to go with the most current technology you can.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

Mr_Fusion — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 21:49:15 GMT

First, both these cameras use the same processor, so the quality of the images should be pretty similar. (DIGAC 4) I doubt you would really notice the difference between the 15MP and 18MP, even with extreme cropping. If you want to get your feet wet, they aren't bad bodies to start with, IF they are inexpensive enough. I do agree that they are dated and you might be better off spending a little more on a T3 or even a T5.

The EF-S 18-55 is not a bad lens, but, is a base model. (A good base model, mind you) It is somewhat limited though. As long as you realize you are getting a base lens and can live with its limitations, you'll do OK. It would make a decent walking around lens. I would not recommend it for night photography though. For that I would suggest a fast prime (f 2.8 or lower) such as a Canon f1.8 50mm STM. It's inexpensive, covers a lot of sky, is lightweight, and a good lens for the price.

Just remember, these are entry level bodies and lenses. They are a good place to start but at some time you will want to move up.

Re: Using a Rebel in the UK

ebiggs1 — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:17:23 GMT

"... the quality of the images should be pretty similar."

You are probably right (every litle helps, however) but there again you limit yourself to just one aspect of the camera comparison.