topic Re: First timer needing pointers in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

First timer needing pointers

miraclemar — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 14:47:53 GMT

I'm currently using an older powershot(purchased last May, refurbished, not sure of model) It's fine for day to day things, but I am looking for more. My SO is very involved in dirt track racing. We're there from 3pm-2am next morning usually. I want to be able to shoot photos for personal and advertisement purposes. I have been considering the T6, but I did more digging and the T5i seems to be pretty much the same. I'll be working in low light(there's bright LCD light poles scattered across two tracks) Im still very confused with ISO and aparture settings(any settings really.)

My questions would be: I want an entry level camera that will help me progress and learn, without me having to upgrade too quickly(also on a budget) I like the price of the T6 more, but which woud be a better investment considering the main thing I'll be photographing?

Can anyone try to break down all of the settings and uses for them? I know I'll have to play around to get the results I'm looking for, but I'm not sure where to start right now.

And lenses. What I can best understand is that I'll need a lense with a longer focal length. I'll be photographing go karts reaching speeds up to about 80mph. I'll most likely shoot from about 50-150 feet away from the action.

Hopefully this isnt too difficult to get the gist of. I just need some pointers before I decide to spend the money on any certain model/lenses. Thanks!!

Re: First timer needing pointers

RobertTheFat — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:10:26 GMT

There are lots of options, I guess. But in the best of all worlds (without going financially berserk), you'd want a refurbished (not "used") 80D and a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II lens.

Re: First timer needing pointers

Waddizzle — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:41:08 GMT

If you wish to shoot sports, then the T6, and the rest of the Rebel lineup will leave you wanting. Although, the newest Rebel T7i seems like it could have the potential to handle fast action sports, I think only an experienced user will be successful with it. In other words, it will take some practice, and the learning curve will be steep.

Look at the camera bodies that have ##D model numbers. I think the 80D would be your best choice, because it is the best buy in the Canon DSLR lineup. It is a camera for enthusiasts, and will be hard to outgrow. It is fully capable of giving you near professional results. While a more complex camera, the learning curve may not be as steep, due to the more sophisticated AF modes.

Of course, the second part of the equation is the lens. You cannot go wrong with a Canon "L" Series lens. The lenses have robust builds, and remarkable image quality. Some of the telephoto zooms have IS mode switches, which compensate of shaky hands, or another mode to compensate for horizontal vertical panning.

As to which model, you cannot go wrong with a 70-200mm lens, There are four models to choose from in the "L" lineup. Two with f/4 apertures, and two with f/2.8 apertures. There is an f/4 without IS, and one with IS. The same is true for the two f/2.8 models. I recommend one of the f/2.8 models, if you can foot the bill.

Re: First timer needing pointers

ebiggs1 — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:39:22 GMT

Well before everybody solves your query, how about your budget? It makes no sense to recommend gear you can't afford.

And, the second part of the equation is what type results or product do you want to end up with. Big difference between nice shots and professional results. I might add the most important part of any 'sports' action shooting is three things. They are location, location and location. With out knowing that nobody can say with any certainty what lens you need.

Also any or either of the newest Rebels, the T6i or T7i will shoot sports. They do it everyday all accross the US of A.

A good package that will last you a long time (years and years) might be the T7i and EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens. This is a killer outfit at around $1600 (new). It will be for your general photography. It is much better than the standard Rebel 'kit'. I really like the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens mostly for its constant and fast aperture. The Rebel T7i has a lot of high end features.

Now for a bigger more specialized lens. It is hard to not recommend the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens since it is the best lens made. Period, end of story! But at 2 grand does it fit your budget? If, yes, done deal. You are go to go. Enjoy.

If we need to trim or you can handle a larger budget let us know. A bigger budget might allow the 80D ($1100) or even better the 7D Mk II ($1500). Tip, if you have to skimp don't do it with the lens.

I was in the photographer's pit at a Royals game and shot this with a XTi and a 100-400mm zoom. They lost!

Re: First timer needing pointers

Mr_Fusion — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:37:27 GMT

First, I suggest you look at the Canon Refurbished Store.

If a budget is your concern, I would look at the T7i first and T6i a close second. The 77D is also a good buy, but more expensive and the T6s is a good substitute. ANY of them would do a good job.

Any medium long lens would do fine.While the 70-200 are good, the 70-300 will do just as good but for a lot less. Also, Sigma and Tamron have some lenses in that range. The thing to remember is that all those cameras have a smaller, "cropped" sensor. So multiple the numbers by 1.6 in order to get the equivelant 35mm range.

Re: First timer needing pointers

Waddizzle — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 07:47:16 GMT

@Mr_Fusion wrote:

Any medium long lens would do fine.While the 70-200 are good, the 70-300 will do just as good but for a lot less..

Have you ever used one of Canon 's current 70-200mm lenses? I don't think you would describe them as "good", if you had. The top of the line EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM never ceases to amaze me. I thought I knew what "sharp lens" meant until I used that lens. I would imagine the little brothers are almost as good.

I would not be the first person to say that the EF 70-200mm is the sharpest lens in my bag.

Re: First timer needing pointers

ebiggs1 — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:33:26 GMT

"I would not be the first person to say that the EF 70-200mm is the sharpest lens in my bag."

And I would not be the first person to say, what? You are kidding, "the 70-300 will do just as good."

Re: First timer needing pointers

Mr_Fusion — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 22:57:54 GMT

Again, you either didn't read the OP's post or you don't understand it. He wants a entry level camera to shoot a specific task. You want to sell him a Ferrari when a Malibu will do. I do not believe selling someone more than they need is a good, or moral, move.

If once he gets familiar to the camera and wants to expand his horizons then great, but any "L" lens is not what he needs at this point. He is asking for suggestions to enter a hobby, not own what takes most photographers years to accumulate. The EF 70-200L is $1,950 in the Canon store. $1,300 at B&H.

And I am sure it is the sharpest lens in your bag.

Re: First timer needing pointers

Waddizzle — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:48:22 GMT

@Mr_Fusion wrote:
Again, you either didn't read the OP's post or you don't understand it. He wants a entery level camera to shoot a specific task. You want to sell him a Ferrari when a Malibu will do. I do not believe selling someone more than they need is a good, or moral, move.

If once he gets familiar to the camera and wants to expand his horizons then great, but any "L" lens is not what he needs at this point. He is asking for suggestions to enter a hobby, not own what takes most photographers years to accumulate. The EF 70-200L is $1,950 in the Canon store. $1,300 at B&H.

And I am sure it is the sharpest lens in your bag.

I will take that as no, you have never used one of Canon's 70-200mm. You are quite the argumentative one, too.

I suggest that you learn to read the posts. I had suggested the same body as you did. As for as a lens goes, I suggested "any of the 70-200mm" lenses, which start at $600 for the EF 70-200mm f/4L USM. Internal focusing and zooming. No lens creep..

The OP expressed an interest in "advertising purposes". The entry level 18MP cameras are too noisy at ISO 800, and higher. I think the T6 is too noisy at ISO 400. The 24.2 MP Rebels are just as bad, except at one ISO stop higher, ISO 800 and ISO 1600 are the limit when it comes to noise.. Like I said, the Rebels will leave one wanting.

With the exception of the latest EOS 77D, the ##D bodies are a much more solid build, and offer near professional grade performance and features like: built-in level; AFMA: beefier battery: better ISO performance, etc. Why buy twice? This is the best place to start for someone looking to upgrade to semi-professional work.

Yes, the OP suggested that they were on a tight budget. But, some things cannot be done on a tight budget. The OP asked for camera body, but a BETTER investment would be in quality lenses. Buying the EF 70-200mm f/4L seems to be within the budget constraints, and a much more frugal investment than a feature-lacking camera body.

A dirt race track environment is hostile to camera gear, BTW. It demands sealed camera bodies and lenses.

Re: First timer needing pointers

ebiggs1 — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:24:32 GMT

Sometimes cheaper is expensive!

Re: First timer needing pointers

miraclemar — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:07:21 GMT

****let me condense the post a little more. I always confuse or give too much info ahaha
I'm just looking for a setup that will help me produce nicer photos than my current point and shoot can. I'd like to stay in the Rebel price range(don't wanna spend more than $800 total if possible, so I'll most likely be buying refurbished) I've considered all in the T6 line. WiFi and Bluetooth aren't a big factor; Id rather not have to pay for something I won't use. I want to have nicer photos to help with getting sponsorships(I feel a more professional presentation could help us out with that) So, staying in the Rebel line up, where can I get the most bang for my buck? It's a small track and I'll be shooting from the fence so anywhere from 100-500ft at eye level and sometimes from about 20ft up in the watchtower. I guess I'd would be needing the most help with deciding on a lens. I have zero experience with anything other than smartphone and point and shoot cameras. Sorry for the confusion!

Re: First timer needing pointers

John_SD — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 15:23:52 GMT

@miraclemar wrote:
****let me condense the post a little more. I always confuse or give too much info ahaha
I'm just looking for a setup that will help me produce nicer photos than my current point and shoot can. I'd like to stay in the Rebel price range(don't wanna spend more than $800 total if possible, so I'll most likely be buying refurbished) I've considered all in the T6 line. WiFi and Bluetooth aren't a big factor; Id rather not have to pay for something I won't use. I want to have nicer photos to help with getting sponsorships(I feel a more professional presentation could help us out with that) So, staying in the Rebel line up, where can I get the most bang for my buck? It's a small track and I'll be shooting from the fence so anywhere from 100-500ft at eye level and sometimes from about 20ft up in the watchtower. I guess I'd would be needing the most help with deciding on a lens. I have zero experience with anything other than smartphone and point and shoot cameras. Sorry for the confusion!

Well, your posts were all over the place and this one is no exception. You ask for recomendations on camera rigs, hoping that a more "professional presentation" will help you get "sponsorships," then at the end say that you need the most help picking a lens and that you have "zero experience with anything other than smartphone and point and shoot cameras"

I'm going to be brutally honest, because you're going to get umpteen replies recommending all sorts of lenses and cameras and will end up more confused than you are right now.

At thiis poinnt you don't need anythng more than a refurbished Canon Rebel kit of some kind. The T6 or a bit above would be fine.

Focus (haha) more on learning dSLR photography. Buy some books, sign up for a course at your local community college, enroll in an online course, and get out there and SHOOT. Because the best gear in the world won't do you any good if you don't know what you're doing. And believe it or not, having a great lens won't help you if you don't know anything about composition or how to control the camera.

Oh, and download and study the full manual, no matter what you buy. Good luck.

Re: First timer needing pointers

Waddizzle — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:32:05 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
Sometimes cheaper is expensive!

True. Buying something "for the time being" usually winds up being a waste.

Some things just do not fit within a narrow budget. Save up for better gear than a T6, IMHO. You need high shutter speeds for action photography, which can frequently mean ISO values over 800, sometimes as high as 6400. A narrow aperture consumer lens, will only translate into even higher ISO settings, which means high noise with a T6.

Re: First timer needing pointers

Mr_Fusion — Tue, 12 Sep 2017 00:49:24 GMT

@miraclemar wrote:
****let me condense the post a little more. I always confuse or give too much info ahaha
I'm just looking for a setup that will help me produce nicer photos than my current point and shoot can. I'd like to stay in the Rebel price range(don't wanna spend more than $800 total if possible, so I'll most likely be buying refurbished) I've considered all in the T6 line. WiFi and Bluetooth aren't a big factor; Id rather not have to pay for something I won't use. I want to have nicer photos to help with getting sponsorships(I feel a more professional presentation could help us out with that) So, staying in the Rebel line up, where can I get the most bang for my buck? It's a small track and I'll be shooting from the fence so anywhere from 100-500ft at eye level and sometimes from about 20ft up in the watchtower. I guess I'd would be needing the most help with deciding on a lens. I have zero experience with anything other than smartphone and point and shoot cameras. Sorry for the confusion!

My opinion is start with a T5 or T6 and a EF 70-300 4-5.6 IS lens*. You will probably have sufficient change to also get a shorter zoom, such as a, EF-S 18-55 IS. This will be a starter kit for DSLR and you should need to remember that. What you save in money you lose in quality and advanced functions.

This should be sufficient to get some decent shots. As you become more experienced and adept with your camera, you will want to move up. That is fine. Everyone either starts at the bottom or has more money than brains.

* - You might consider a Kit that would include the body and a lens or two. Although most kits include the EF-S 18-55 they sometimes also include a EF-S 55-250 IS. The EF-S is lighter than the standard EF lens, but is a base lens. For your initial requirements though it may be enough.

A word of warning on buying on line. Do your homework. Many shops are selling grey market cameras. They offer a great price, but will try to upsell you on the battery, and some other essentials. Canon USA will not register them or honor their warranty. Do a review search first to read how bad they really are. The Canon Store is reputable, but there are many others that are quality stores too. Amazon is not on my list but your opinion may differ. WalMart's online store stands behind their merchandise. Others include B&H, Adoma, and KEH. There are others as well.

Another place to look would be in any large city, look for a brick and mortar camera store with a line of second hand bodies and lenses. Their staff are also helpful. They may be able to outfit you with what you need for an affordable price.

Good luck and enjoy your new hobby.