topic Re: 80D ISO Noise concern in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

80D ISO Noise concern

Lonestar_North — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:42:39 GMT

I just bought a brand new 80D. I bought it to replace my 7D as I wanted to get improved high ISO noise performane. My first day of shooting leaves me very dissapointed. Is this typical of what I am to expect?

Link to higher resolution

http://lonestarnorth.ifp3.com/#/gallery/test-gallery/iso-80d-320/

Here is a screen shot of ISO 640 F8 and the sewcond at 320.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Peter — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 05:38:37 GMT

I don't really see any noise of concern, but I use a phone right now. What about you upload a raw sample?

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Peter — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 05:56:30 GMT

Ok, saw it now. I would say noise is more visible when it is in an area that is out of focus, but please upload a raw sample and we can check.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

diverhank — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:15:33 GMT

Did you brighten the noisy background or is this as is?

I think it looks normal for the ISO 640 picture but ISO 320 photo is a bit noisy, hence the above question. The key is that you can filter the noise in post easily without much effect to the picture sharpness.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Lonestar_North — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:13:38 GMT

I shoot raw but Adobe won't recognize rbe CR2 file so I convert to DNG. Neither of these formats will upload. I did give a link to the large files

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Peter — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:19:20 GMT

Jpg files are not enough if you want a better answer. Use a filehost.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Waddizzle — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 14:15:02 GMT

@Lonestar_Northwrote:
I shoot raw but Adobe won't recognize rbe CR2 file so I convert to DNG. Neither of these formats will upload. I did give a link to the large files

That’s odd. Which “Adobe”? You probably just need to update your ACR.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Lonestar_North — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:32:55 GMT

It has to do with Adobe Raw not updating to the newer Raw Files of newer cameras. I have to convert to dng. I am looking at alternates to CS6 and Bridge

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

ebiggs1 — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:53:42 GMT

You have several issues. One is the ACR for CS6 doesn't convert 80D Raw files. Second I think you are over processing your dng files. Remember less is more in post editing. And lastly, the noise will be worse or at least appear worse in under exposed areas and when you do large crops. Keep those to a reasonable manageable minimum.

DNG is also a Raw image file. It is Adobe’s proprietary image standard that was created to store image data in a generic, highly-compatible format, unlike Raw files that have specific formats based on the manufacturer and camera type. DNG was invented by Adobe and it is supported in all Adobe applications. Some other camera manufacturers such as Leica, Hasselblad and Pentax have adopted this standard and use it in their cameras as their supported Raw file format.

Another option is Canon's own and free DPP4. In your case I would certainly entertain an opportunity to trry it out.

Lastly keep in mind all cameras have limits not just the 7D and 80D. You just need to know how far you can go.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

TTMartin — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:11:15 GMT

@Lonestar_Northwrote:
I just bought a brand new 80D. I bought it to replace my 7D as I wanted to get improved high ISO noise performane. My first day of shooting leaves me very dissapointed. Is this typical of what I am to expect?

Link to higher resolution
http://lonestarnorth.ifp3.com/#/gallery/test-gallery/iso-80d-320/

Here is a screen shot of ISO 640 F8 and the sewcond at 320.

You appear to be confusing Out Of Focus (OOF) areas with noise.

A dSLR with a long lens will have a very shallow depth of field. The area out of that depth of field will be blurry and could be confused with noise. What you are depicting appears to be normal OOF area and not noise.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

TTMartin — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:31:05 GMT

@TTMartinwrote:
@Lonestar_Northwrote:
I just bought a brand new 80D. I bought it to replace my 7D as I wanted to get improved high ISO noise performane. My first day of shooting leaves me very dissapointed. Is this typical of what I am to expect?

Link to higher resolution
http://lonestarnorth.ifp3.com/#/gallery/test-gallery/iso-80d-320/

Here is a screen shot of ISO 640 F8 and the sewcond at 320.

You appear to be confusing Out Of Focus (OOF) areas with noise.

A dSLR with a long lens will have a very shallow depth of field. The area out of that depth of field will be blurry and could be confused with noise. What you are depicting appears to be normal OOF area and not noise.

You can also make OOF areas look noisy by applying global sharpening.

800% view of unsharpened OOF sky

800% view of oversharpened OOF sky.

If you are using Lightroom avoid using global sharpening settings like 'Clarity' that also 'sharpen' OOF areas and ruin the bokeh.

The way to avoid this is to use Masking to apply a heavy sharpening mask in Lightroom so you don't sharpen even areas.

By pressing and holding the 'ALT' key, while moving the 'Masking' slider you can see what is being masked. Black areas will not be sharpened.

Smooth unsharpened bokeh.

Typically when using a heavy mask I set sharpening to 100. By using a heavy mask I can keep my noise reduction settings lower. My Noise Reduction settings are usually Luminance between 10-25, Contrast is set to match, i.e. 10-25, and Color is set to twice the Luminance value i.e. 25-50. I leave Detail and Smoothness at their defaults.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Tim — Wed, 30 May 2018 20:58:22 GMT

Lonestar North,

We have evaluated the photos you sent and do not see any die hard issues that are present within the camera system that are readily apparent to the naked eye. Other users here have offered many different suggestions as to the cause of the issue and there is merit in the things that were recommended. It's possible you're experiencing a twofold issue of it being a new camera and over processing of the images in post production.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

Lonestar_North — Thu, 31 May 2018 12:51:28 GMT

I would agree with new to the camera. I took the camera and new Canon 100-400 lens to Costa Rica and had excellent low light results. I disagree with the overly post processed as those example photos were not post processed at all. (Link page from above post was removed)

I am pleased with the performance of the 80D allowing me to shoot as high as 1600 ISO, although I do still need to denoise to clean them up.

Re: 80D ISO Noise concern

BurnUnit — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 05:18:54 GMT

I don't know how this looks on anyone else's monitor but I'm seeing what looks like over-sharpening in this shot in the areas marked in green. At least it seems excessive for web display at this size. There's obvious halos in the high contrast areas. Sharpening isn't "one size fits all" and tends to be dependent on intended use. Display on a monitor, making small prints or making larger prints might call for a different approach to sharpening.

The areas marked in blue don't really look like noise as much as artifacting from over-compression when converting to jpeg.

The second image look pretty clean to me. It might benefit from a bit of light sharpening if you haven't done so already. But if you wanted to get a bit more "pop" from this shot I'd go for a little more contrast, or opening up the highlights and midtones. I'd try a touch more saturation too and see how it responded. If you decide it needs a bit of sharpening, do so only after you've done any other adjustments and keep it subtle.

Edit To Add:

Actually, your second shot above looks much better on my home monitor. My monitor at work is set up to make text look better rather than for viewing photos.