topic Re: I like my 80D - BUT in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

I like my 80D - BUT

Goswick — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:46:37 GMT

The Canon 80D was my first venture into DSLR cameras (been using traditional video cameras up to now). I "thought" I did a lot of research before I decided on the Canon 80D but I missed some important (to me at least) features.

I did not realize that there is a 29 min/59 second constraint on the camera when shooting video. After further research it appears that is a typical DSLR "feature" not only with Canon. After further research it was suggested that I could use an Atomos Ninja for my long-form videos and as luck would have it I already owned a Ninja. I was happy to be able to solve my problem BUT after testing the Canon/Ninja configuration out I was extremely disappointed to find out that the Canon 80D does not supply audio to the Ninja via the HDMI port. That is a major shortcoming with the canon 80D..not sure what good video is without audio.

As I already said..guess i didn't do enough research before I bought my DSLR camera. My bad but don't understand the HDMI audio issue at all.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

kvbarkley — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:55:01 GMT

Is there a question here?

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

Goswick — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:01:01 GMT

Guess not...

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

John_SD — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:02:01 GMT

I am seeing quite a few posts from guys who are basically using their cameras primarily as camcorders. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to simply buy a camcorder?

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

Goswick — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:14:46 GMT

It may be but if Canon is going to offer video capabilities in their DSLR then the customer should expect to have a level of basic video capabilities. In my humble opinion, not passing audio through HDMI is a basic feature that even my cell phone has. I can live with the 30 minute limitation if I could do the work around with the Ninja.

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John_SD — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:30:33 GMT

I respectully disagree. The OP has no one but himself to blame for not doing his homework before making his purchase. That's on him, not Canon.

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Jenine — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:47:25 GMT

Hello Goswick!

Welcome to the Canon Community!

It sounds like the EOS 7D Mark II would be best for you. If you bought your camera from us please send us an email to canonfriends@cits.canon.com so we can discuss options.

We look forward to your email!

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

kvbarkley — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:53:27 GMT

I guess it depends what "basic" means, but I am pretty sure that my T6S plays sound via HDMI to my TV.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

Goswick — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:48:03 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
I respectully disagree. The OP has no one but himself to blame for not doing his homework before making his purchase. That's on him, not Canon.

Thank you for your reply to the post. I really didn't post this to get into a "spitting contest". You are right that i did not research every single detail of the camer before I bought it...like most folks (maybe you are the exception) I did not read the user manual page by page to find the "no audio" statement on Page 213.

The intent of the post is maybe someone else can learn from my mistake and not to bash Canon...except for the fact their camera does not send audio through the HDMI.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

jrhoffman75 — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:53:00 GMT

Since you have the Ninja Atomos you could have checked what Canon devices arfe compatible with it befor you purchased.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

Goswick — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:57:38 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:
Since you have the Ninja Atomos you could have checked what Canon devices arfe compatible with it befor you purchased.

Yup...but didn't know that I need to use the Ninja until after buying the camera.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

jrhoffman75 — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:59:15 GMT

Be sure to follow up with Canon as posted above. Looks like they want to help you out.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

kvbarkley — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:00:19 GMT

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Goswick — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:18:47 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
I am seeing quite a few posts from guys who are basically using their cameras primarily as camcorders. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to simply buy a camcorder?

t may be but if Canon is going to offer video capabilities in their DSLR then the customer should expect to have a level of basic video capabilities. In my humble opinion, not passing audio through HDMI is a basic feature that even my cell phone has. I can live with the 30 minute limitation if I could do the work around with the Ninja.

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ebiggs1 — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:18:02 GMT

The misconception is this, DSLR's are still cameras that do video. They are not video cameras that do stills.

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TCampbell — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:50:11 GMT

Something to consider...

The main purpose of the camera is "imaging". At a lower tier of video users (short home video clips) a user might be happy to capture video with sound via the camera's built-in microphone. But for serious videographers, the built-in microphone doesn't provide the audio quality they want -- so they're using external audio anyway.

If you'd rather use the HDMI out for the video and record on an external device, why not go the whole way and use external audio recording on an external device. The internal audio capabilities of a DSLR isn't really any DLSRs strongest feature.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

Goswick — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:29:39 GMT

In the words of Forest Gump (well kinda).." I'm not a smart man but I know what a traditional video camera is" Yes I realize the internal audio isn't of great quality and yes I do use an external audio recording device BUT in order to sync the video with the audio from the external recording device one would want a "reference audio track from the video.

This post has about reached it's usefulness...I solved my problem by attaching a wireless mic to the camera.

The video from this camera is in no way limited except for constraints I have listed in the OP. I have seen great video **bleep** by a cell phone...it ain't the camera that makes the quality of the video - it is the person behind it.

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Jayling — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:43:36 GMT

Hello Goswick, I realize this is an old post and you already solved the problem by using a wireless mic, but I just wanted to add something. I was the same, not realizing that there wasn't audio out through the hdmi with the Canon 80D. I just got the Ninja Flame today and had the same issues as you, no audio. But I did find a video over on Vimeo that helped me out. If you plug a 3.5 mm audio cable into the Headphone jack (not the mic jack) of the 80d, and then plug the other end into the Mic/Line of the Ninja Flame, it will give you audio that way.

I did try to plug a Rode Videomic Go directly to the Ninja, but still couldn't get any audio. That has me puzzled as I'd like a better mic to use.

Take care now and sorry for resurrecting an old post. 🙂

Jayling

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

ebiggs1 — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 17:10:30 GMT

"it ain't the camera that makes the quality of the video - it is the person behind it."

To a point, this is true. But a great videographer will do better with great video gear.

Re: I like my 80D - BUT

huskyC — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 17:30:44 GMT

Is there a link please ?