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IDxII shortfalls.

Edward — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 16:52:55 GMT

The lack of Wi-Fi, HDR capability, a full touch LCD with automatic brightness control (as in the 5D series), short battery life and failure to reduce size and weight are disappointing. The card slots arrangement is strange, both cards fronts should have faced in the same direction when inserting and the Slot 1 selected for the CFast card instead of the old Compact Flash. The improvements in image quality and autofocus performance in my opinion, are minimal compared to the previous model, not to mention the competition. And the dual battery charger; why not a charger for a single battery or having an option for buying one? In these days of flying, any reduction in size and weight makes the gear easy to carry and accepted as a carry-on v.s. a check-in---international airlines are limiting carry-ons to just one not to exceed to 9 kilos.

Ergonomically the camera's undersized control buttons make it difficult to use with gloves in cold weather, and the failure to provided illuminated ones make them hard to see at nighttime (Yes Canon, there is nightime photography). When using long telephotos handheld or on a tripod, the 3 control buttons on the top left of the camera are hard to operate and should have been positioned as in the 5D series or 7DII for ease of use and conformity of design. This change would also have resulted in a cleaner top deck look and reduction in control buttons for the 1DxII. The remote control terminal at the bottom of the handgrip should have been moved to the front left as in the current 5DIV, its present location interferes when handholding the 1DxII when devices are attached.

Most camera manufacturers release professional gear having the best technologies that then trickles down into cheaper models; Canon has this reversed. As an example, touch screen has now moved up to the 5DIV; it could have been incorporated into the 1DxII. This stingy marketing strategy of small incremental improvements causes Canon sales; the reason why I am not purchasing a 5DIV and may skip the 1DxIII too.

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TTMartin — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:16:22 GMT

You are right it is worthless. I'll give you $300 for it shipped so you don't have to deal with those short comings.

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Edward — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:36:47 GMT

I would not like to sell it to you since it is now a Canon for repairs. Taking $300 from U would not be ethical.

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ebiggs1 — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:54:57 GMT

There is always the Nikon D5. It is a fantastic camera. Sounds like you need one.

Most of the things you have asked for on the 1D Mk II, I don't want. Neither here nor there but we are out there. The only change I would like is the price.

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jrhoffman75 — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:47:02 GMT

"Most camera manufacturers release professional gear having the best technologies that then trickles down into cheaper models; Canon has this reversed. As an example, touch screen has now moved up to the 5DIV; it could have been incorporated into the 1DxII. This stingy marketing strategy of small incremental improvements causes Canon sales; the reason why I am not purchasing a 5DIV and may skip the 1DxIII too"

Perhaps Canon's strategy is to release those features NOT in the pro level machine first to get it debugged in the field. Pros who depend on the tool for their living might not want to be the first adopters.

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RobertTheFat — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:53:55 GMT

Edward wrote:
The lack of Wi-Fi, HDR capability, a full touch LCD with automatic brightness control (as in the 5D series), short battery life and failure to reduce size and weight are disappointing. The card slots arrangement is strange, both cards fronts should have faced in the same direction when inserting and the Slot 1 selected for the CFast card instead of the old Compact Flash. The improvements in image quality and autofocus performance in my opinion, are minimal compared to the previous model, not to mention the competition. And the dual battery charger; why not a charger for a single battery or having an option for buying one? In these days of flying, any reduction in size and weight makes the gear easy to carry and accepted as a carry-on v.s. a check-in---international airlines are limiting carry-ons to just one not to exceed to 9 kilos.

Ergonomically the camera's undersized control buttons make it difficult to use with gloves in cold weather, and the failure to provided illuminated ones make them hard to see at nighttime (Yes Canon, there is nightime photography). When using long telephotos handheld or on a tripod, the 3 control buttons on the top left of the camera are hard to operate and should have been positioned as in the 5D series or 7DII for ease of use and conformity of design. This change would also have resulted in a cleaner top deck look and reduction in control buttons for the 1DxII. The remote control terminal at the bottom of the handgrip should have been moved to the front left as in the current 5DIV, its present location interferes when handholding the 1DxII when devices are attached.

Most camera manufacturers release professional gear having the best technologies that then trickles down into cheaper models; Canon has this reversed. As an example, touch screen has now moved up to the 5DIV; it could have been incorporated into the 1DxII. This stingy marketing strategy of small incremental improvements causes Canon sales; the reason why I am not purchasing a 5DIV and may skip the 1DxIII too.

You're telling us that you bought a $6000 camera without researching its features (or lack thereof) any better than that? Did you not make a requirements list and check it against the specs? The only thing I can think of to tell you is that if I'd done that, I sure wouldn't admit it in this forum.

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Waddizzle — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:58:35 GMT

@Edward wrote:
I would not like to sell it to you since it is now a Canon for repairs. Taking $300 from U would not be ethical.

AH! I see said the blind man. I hope it works out for the best. What happened to yours?

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Waddizzle — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 00:26:22 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
There is always the Nikon D5. It is a fantastic camera. Sounds like you need one.
Most of the things you have asked for on the 1D Mk II, I don't want. Neither here not there but we are out there. The only change I would like is the price.

I am no professional, but I am forced to agree with you. Most of the list is bells and whistles, with very little to do with producing high quality images. Adding bellls and whistles, means additional programming. You may not have the programming memory space for such things. I think like an engineer because I am an engineer.

I would think that a touch screen on a professional camera would be undesired. What happens when it is used in bad weather, and drops of water collect on on the display ... and drops start dribbling down the screen? I don't think the camera would like rain drops of water striking the touch sensitive screen. I am certain that would not like it.

How do you wipe off the water? I suppose that you could blank the screen and then wipe it, but it would be better if you could simply disable the touch sensitivity, altogether. If you can disable it, then why even include it?

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:53:08 GMT

It is in my thoughts...

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:54:58 GMT

I am telling you that Canon can build a better camera and due to marketing strategies is shortchanging its customers. Not my first one; just realized the scheme.

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:56:50 GMT

Waiting for Canon to tell me...member of CPS who is supposed to give me a 3 days turn-around repair time; it is not happening.

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:20:19 GMT

It has nothing to do with bells and whistles or memory. The 5DIV has some of the items I am asking about...I am talking about making the camera more user friendly with less control buttons and reducing the number of actions to use the camera. The touch screen will provide that...and the 1DxII has that limited capability when using the video function to select AF in the LCD; the engineers did it 1/2 way. Of course it may be possible that Canon will have a revelation and decide to issue software to expand the screen touch feature to the rest of the camera.

Rain drops drops does not cause the activation of the touch screen functions in either the camera discussed using video function or in the 5DIV functions during regular photography or video function. How do I know? Have both cameras that used extensivel in the rain in Ecuador recently. Weather proofing has not been and issue with these cameras so far; the only issue regarding weather regarding these cameras when used in cold when using gloves since the buttons are so small.

Glad you agree me. I am satisfied with the image quality but the AF with 6 different modes, is complicated and gives me 30-40 images out of focus but thanks to the 14 f/s seconds some are useful.

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:38:46 GMT

This is not the first 1D series I own...and this entry was mostly addressed to Canon. Wish the participants comments will be based in the items addressed, what I wrote is based on my needs and others wants may be different and should express them. After 27 years with Canon I am finally frustrated with their marketing policies of small incremental improvements when they have the technology now to make the tools better performing. The cost is irrelevant to me...performance is. Canon should be taking a lesson of what happened to Kodak. Evolve faster or become the lunch of Sony and iPhone.

The main issue: Is Canon listening?

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:45:40 GMT

Debugged? As an example: why does the 1DxII has some touch screen technology in Video Mode and not in Photo mode? Some of these technologies have been around in non-professional models for at least 3 generations. Touch technology will allow me to operate the camera faster not requiring to push multiple buttons and rotating wheels.

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ebiggs1 — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:03:15 GMT

"This is not the first 1D series I own..."

Sorry but it came across that way. I still wonder if it isn't? Personally, I don't want wi-fi on the camera. And they can remove the video ability for all I care. Never use it.

"The main issue: Is Canon listening?"

Thankfully not from this forum. This is a public forum. If you want to address your concerns, you need to get a hold of Canon.

I hope they are paying attention to me, too.

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:16:40 GMT

This a Canon Forum owned and monitored by Canon...what a better way to make them aware. And all can help by concurring or not with me. A way to let Canon know the needs of the customers and not to rely solely in their "experts list" that they claim to consult.

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ebiggs1 — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:34:08 GMT

"...rely solely in their "experts list" that they claim to consult. "

Exactly why the people at Canon that could make a difference won't ever see this.

We have differing ideas of what a professional camera should be. The 1 series, as it is, fits me perfectly. I like it just the way it is. No wi-fi and no video wanted. If you want all that stuff let them put it on a 5D MkV.

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TTMartin — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:55:28 GMT

The 1DX Mk II is not the only camera Canon makes.

If a 5D Mk VI has all or most of the features you want, it seems silly to limit yourself to a specific camera simply because it has the 1D moniker, or because it is considered their 'Pro' camera.

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Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 16:16:43 GMT

Have 7Dii, used a 5DIV and still a 1DxII...the only reason for the later that allows me to capture images that the others don't. Consider that my entry deals with possibilities to make the Canon cameras adopt proven technical innovations already in Canon's toolbag introduced now. Revolution v.s. evolution.

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