topic Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

AF problems EOS 5D mk III

Lundmark — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 08:49:26 GMT

Hi folks,

I've been taking everyday pictures for a while now with my EOS 5D mk III, but when I try to take fast photos in the moment they get blurry and AF doesn't perform as I wish. It works fine when holding in the "take picture"-button a little and letting the focus points go where I want but this process doesn't let me take fast photos. Is there an AF mode better suited for fast shooting? I have the EF 16 - 35mm 1:2.8 zoom lens. I want to be able to shoot instantly when something happens and get good focus.

Thanks!

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

TCampbell — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:32:40 GMT

Yes. The short answer is that the 5D III has a very advanced and highly customizable focus system.

It's basically the *same* AF system that the 1D X (flagship) camera uses (with one minor nuance in that the 1D X links the metering system to the subject tracking system and the 5D III does not.

There's a guide book you should download and read: http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/product/cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii/AF_guide_EOS5D_MarkIII_eng_January2013.pdf

There are also a number of Canon tutorial videos on your camera. Video #2 covers a lot of the AF options (as well as #3).

Start here:

1 of 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d47xUh0uFs

2 of 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVoHN4ypLd0

3 of 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmVtBQwo4Y

4 of 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLpkMFIIG-s

5 of 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39G-WMtKaOw

And of course there are lots of videos made by others (not Canon videos but still very helpful).

It's important to recognize that all EOS cameras have a fundamental difference in behavior depending on whether you choose "One Shot" focus mode vs. "AI Servo" focus mode.

In "One Shot" mode (the default) the camera will focus UNTIL it locks focus on the selected AF point (or any active point if you allow the camera to use multiple points) but (and this is the important bit), once it does lock focus, it SHUTS OFF the focus system and remains focused at that distance until you either (a) take the shot or (b) release the focus button and re-activate focus. It DOES NOT keep focusing on your subject. A nuance of this mode is that the camera will refuse to take a shot until it locks focus. So if, for example, it's too dark to focus... it will refuse to take the shot.

In "AI Focus" mode, the behavior is the opposite. In this mode the camera will CONTINUOUSLY focus. As the distance between subject and camera change, the camera will keep adjusting focus to keep up. Not all lenses focus at the same speed... so depending on the lens the camera may not be able to change the focus fast enough to keep up. Generally most (but not all) USM lenses are rather snappy and keep up. But a nuance of this mode is that the camera WILL take the shot when you fully press the shutter button EVEN IF it isn't focused on anything (it doesn't insist on having focus locked on a subject.).

This difference (insisting on a focus lock vs. taking a shot even if nothing is focused) is called "Focus Priority" and "Release Priority". "One Shot" mode uses "Focus Priority" (camera must lock focus before it shoots). "AI Focus" uses "Release Priority" (camera WILL take shot when shutter release button is pressed... even if it isn't focused.)

That's an important difference because you can be disappointed if you fully press the shutter button on a subject while shooting sports and assume the camera was going to lock focus before shooting... and it doesn't work that way. In action photography, it's a slightly different style of shooting where you "track" your subject and follow focus on them... waiting for that decisive moment to press the shutter and start capturing shots.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

diverhank — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:26:36 GMT

@Lundmark wrote:
Hi folks,

I've been taking everyday pictures for a while now with my EOS 5D mk III, but when I try to take fast photos in the moment they get blurry and AF doesn't perform as I wish. It works fine when holding in the "take picture"-button a little and letting the focus points go where I want but this process doesn't let me take fast photos. Is there an AF mode better suited for fast shooting? I have the EF 16 - 35mm 1:2.8 zoom lens. I want to be able to shoot instantly when something happens and get good focus.

Thanks!

The 5D mark III is known for its prowess in focusing...it has tons of features other cameras may not have. There is a price for that of course...it is harder to understand and use correctly.

Canon published a guide for it a while back...see link below. What you need to do is study and apply it. After you understand how everything works, you still need to practice. In general though, for action shots, you should be using AI Servo mode which aids you in maintaining focus lock on a moving object. Basically, you achieve initial focus and keep depressing the shutter button half way, the camera will continue to focus on the object as it moves. Of course it helps if you move the camera and keeps the object at the focus point. I routinely take pictures of fast moving objects including jets and birds with the 5D Mark III without much problems (expect some missed shots, everybody does that).

Link to guide:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/product/cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii/AF_guide_EOS5D_MarkIII_eng_January2013.pdf

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

diverhank — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:34:42 GMT

@Lundmark wrote:
Hi folks,

I've been taking everyday pictures for a while now with my EOS 5D mk III, but when I try to take fast photos in the moment they get blurry and AF doesn't perform as I wish. It works fine when holding in the "take picture"-button a little and letting the focus points go where I want but this process doesn't let me take fast photos. Is there an AF mode better suited for fast shooting? I have the EF 16 - 35mm 1:2.8 zoom lens. I want to be able to shoot instantly when something happens and get good focus.

Thanks!

The 5D mark III is known for its prowess in focusing...it has tons of features other cameras may not have. There is a price for that of course...it is harder to understand and use correctly.

Link to guide:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/product/cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii/AF_guide_EOS5D_MarkIII_eng_January2013.pdf

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

Waddizzle — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 18:16:59 GMT

I cannot be certain what shooting mode you are using to take pictures. Not sure what you mean by "fast photos", either.

One of the easiest shooting modes to use is "P". The easiest drive mode is "One Shot". The easiest way to focus on what you want is to manually select the center most AF point, so that camera will default to using just the center AF point.

Hope this helps.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

diverhank — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 20:25:27 GMT

@Lundmark wrote:
Hi folks,

I've been taking everyday pictures for a while now with my EOS 5D mk III, but when I try to take fast photos in the moment they get blurry and AF doesn't perform as I wish. It works fine when holding in the "take picture"-button a little and letting the focus points go where I want but this process doesn't let me take fast photos. Is there an AF mode better suited for fast shooting? I have the EF 16 - 35mm 1:2.8 zoom lens. I want to be able to shoot instantly when something happens and get good focus.

Thanks!

I tried to answer this post about 3 times and each time it disappeared on me. If you are deleting my post please let me know so I don't have to waste my time?

The 5D Mark III is known for its prowess in autofocusing...so you shouldn't have a problem focusing. There is a price for having good focus performance...it's very complicated and requires a certain amount of study and practice to take full advantage of it. Canon has published a few guides:

https://www.learn.usa.canon.com/app/pdfs/quickguides/CDLC_1DX-MarkIII_AF_Point_Mngmt_QuicGuide.pdf

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/product/cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii/AF_guide_EOS5D_MarkIII_eng_January2013.pdf

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/galleries/galleries/tutorials/eos_5d_markiii_tutorials.shtml

In general use all of the 61 point auto AF (don't use single point focus - you're defeating the camera's inherent advantage) and focus should be as fast if not the fastest AF of almost all consumer cameras out there...for action, you might want to consider using AI Servo.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

diverhank — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:22:23 GMT

@Lundmark wrote:
Hi folks,

I've been taking everyday pictures for a while now with my EOS 5D mk III, but when I try to take fast photos in the moment they get blurry and AF doesn't perform as I wish. It works fine when holding in the "take picture"-button a little and letting the focus points go where I want but this process doesn't let me take fast photos. Is there an AF mode better suited for fast shooting? I have the EF 16 - 35mm 1:2.8 zoom lens. I want to be able to shoot instantly when something happens and get good focus.

Thanks!

Hi Lundmark,

The 5D Mark III is wellknown for having one of the best autofocus Canon has to offer. So it would be very strange that you're having trouble focusing. As good as any focus system is, it is near impossible for instant performance.

I'd recommend that you select the Auto -focus point (can't remember what it's called) but basically the camera auto-select out of 61 available points. This is good for something that happens quickly. The downside is that sometimes the camera will pick a wrong point to focus on (usually the closest point). Also for objects that are moving...you are better off using AI Servo mode to help track the object as it moves.

Read your manual on auto-focus some more and there are quite a few guides on the 5D Mark III auto-focus systems from Canon and others that are quite good. I recommend you download them after searching the internet and try to understand them and practice using various features. It is worth the time investment.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

ebiggs1 — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:37:30 GMT

"I have the EF 16 - 35mm 1:2.8 zoom lens."

The lens determines how quickly the camera will focus. The camera can only act on what the lens tells it. Are you doing this under poor lighting conditions. Like the family room in the evening? Unlike others here, I mostly recommend you use just the center focus point and keep the 5D Mk III in One Shot. I bet if you take a 'quick' shot outdoors in the daylight, it focuses faster than you are ready!

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

Lundmark — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 23:39:42 GMT

Thanks for the replies! I'll read the manual and try the things mentioned here. Have a great day!

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

meeli436 — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:16:18 GMT

Hey there!

Not a professional photographer here.
I also have a bit of a problem with focusing and images being sharp.

I bought a used 5D mk III. First, the images were OK. But then my 3-year-old son did something with the camera and the settings, so now... occasionally the images are off. I focus on the nose/eyes or mouth, but they remain un-focused but the hair close to the ears is sharp.

What has happened and how do I fix it. Would love to hear all suggestions. This picture was shot in: ONE SHOT.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:47:10 GMT

Look in the manual for instructions to reset camera settings.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

meeli436 — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:16:21 GMT

And then I loose all other custom settings and start everything from scratch. Harsh.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:21:01 GMT

Then you need to hunt through settings to see what was changed by your child. He possibly changed a selected focus point, but since apparently you have made a bunch of custom settings you need to go through them all and figure out what you didn’t set.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

RobertTheFat — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:00:31 GMT

meeli436 wrote:
Hey there!
Not a professional photographer here.
I also have a bit of a problem with focusing and images being sharp.
I bought a used 5D mk III. First, the images were OK. But then my 3-year-old son did something with the camera and the settings, so now... occasionally the images are off. I focus on the nose/eyes or mouth, but they remain un-focused but the hair close to the ears is sharp.
What has happened and how do I fix it. Would love to hear all suggestions. This picture was shot in: ONE SHOT.
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Get out your instruction manual (the full-length one that you can downloaded from Canon's Web site, not the abbreviated one that may have come with your camera) and read about "autofocus microadjustment". If your description of the symptom is accurate and the camera hasn't been dropped or something, that may provide a solution.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

meeli436 — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:05:04 GMT

So yeah - did the system recovery, put on a new software and now... As I expected. Everything is off. Right now I'm in a mood of quitting photography. My camera hates me, my lens hates me. Just so frustrated. I can't even remember half the configurations and settings I had. So here's a tip everybody. Keep your camera away from kids.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

diverhank — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:24:02 GMT

@meeli436 wrote:
So yeah - did the system recovery, put on a new software and now... As I expected. Everything is off. Right now I'm in a mood of quitting photography. My camera hates me, my lens hates me. Just so frustrated. I can't even remember half the configurations and settings I had. So here's a tip everybody. Keep your camera away from kids.

Look at the bright side, if you can't remember half of your settings then they are not worth having. Here is your chance to start anew and learn a few more things about your camera in the process.

I am one who occasionally reset everything (camera, computer, audio/video wiring, etc.) when there's nothing wrong. I always manage to learn a few new things and ended up better than before I started.

Re: AF problems EOS 5D mk III

Waddizzle — Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:13:33 GMT

I think you could be looking at parts of the subject that are OOF because of Depth Of Field.

What focal length are you using? What is the approximate distance to the subject? If the child moved a couple of inches between you focusing, and you taking the shot, then where you focused could be OOF.