topic Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

iraaj10731 — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 19:05:18 GMT

Just purchased a Canon T7i.

Love the camera.

Is Canon out of their mind? $75.00 for a battery.

Bought two generic batteries for under $20 with charger.

The camera works but does not recognize the battery level on the indicator.

I will use them as spares and know that I can take about 25o images on a charge.

Any thoughts on this?

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

iraaj10731 — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 19:09:06 GMT

Does anyone know how to work around the fact that Canon wants $75.00 for an LP 10 battery for this camera? Slightly less at Hunts Photo and Video.

I bought generics. They work, but the camera does not recognize the battery and shows full discharge on the indicator.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

kvbarkley — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:50:15 GMT

And now you know why.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

ebiggs1 — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:28:24 GMT

Penny wise and pound foolish ! Use genuine Canon batteries because problems can become even worse.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

RobertTheFat — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:01:59 GMT

I have two or three 3rd-party batteries because B&H threw them in with cameras I bought there. And those have never given me any trouble. But with just any 3rd-party battery, you can never be sure what you're getting. It's safer to stick with Canon.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

Waddizzle — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:44:09 GMT

@iraaj10731 wrote:
Just purchased a Canon T7i.
Love the camera.
Is Canon out of their mind? $75.00 for a battery.
Bought two generic batteries for under $20 with charger.
The camera works but does not recognize the battery level on the indicator.
I will use them as spares and know that I can take about 25o images on a charge.

Any thoughts on this?

There have a couple of warnings from Canon about counterfeit batteries. They have alwo upgraded their battery lineup. I'm sure the latest camera releases over the last 24 months or so have something different in their firmware to distinguish genuine Canon batteries from counterfeits. It's possible that your 3rd party batteries are not passing the smell test, thus no display.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

pcdarcan — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:37:16 GMT

I know it's convenient for Canon to say this, but they would never endorse a third-party battery in their cameras. btw: It is a shame that the Canon battery life in these cameras is not up to par with what users expect, even when using an external flash. Using an external flash, I was getting more shots on my older G10 than with the 77D. Yes, I know the sensor is larger and the demands of the 77D's processing is larger, but why not take that into account when you decide what battery strength you are going to put in the 77D? I honestly believe it's a ploy by Canon to make you upgrade to an 80D and that stinks. I mean, if the only reason I'm upgrading to an 80D is because the battery lasts longer is just not a great reason for spending more money on a camera that I don't really want, except for its battery life.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

RobertTheFat — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:51:49 GMT

@pcdarcan wrote:
I know it's convenient for Canon to say this, but they would never endorse a third-party battery in their cameras. btw: It is a shame that the Canon battery life in these cameras is not up to par with what users expect, even when using an external flash. Using an external flash, I was getting more shots on my older G10 than with the 77D. Yes, I know the sensor is larger and the demands of the 77D's processing is larger, but why not take that into account when you decide what battery strength you are going to put in the 77D? I honestly believe it's a ploy by Canon to make you upgrade to an 80D and that stinks. I mean, if the only reason I'm upgrading to an 80D is because the battery lasts longer is just not a great reason for spending more money on a camera that I don't really want, except for its battery life.

Frankly, I don't follow this argument. If you are a professional event or wedding photographer, you are not using a 77D. If you are not a professional event or wedding photographer, the brief time it takes to change a battery (assuming you have two functional hands) is hardly an issue. Yes, the 77D is underpowered. But that makes it lighter and cheaper, which appeals to some. If it doesn't appeal to you, don't buy one. Canon has an extensive product line, whereof the 80D is merely one example. But if nothing in that product line, including the 80D, meets your needs, look elsewhere. No company can be everything to everyone, although Canon comes closer than most.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

ebiggs1 — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:42:03 GMT

"...Canon comes closer than most."

Dang staright!

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

pcdarcan — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:53:13 GMT

Okay, you can get off your high horse now buddy. I can see you have missed MANY a shot at events and just don't care. That's not me! I want every shot that "I see as desirable". The Canon EOS 77D appealed to me BECAUSE of it's lighter weight. That's an easy decision. In case you are living under a rock or something, do you know how many people shoot EVENTs with prosumer cameras? Plenty. So, that case is closed. I certainly understand FULLY that no camera will ever be perfect, but battery life is ALWAYS a key point for EVENT shooters because they will all tell you that uncomfortable situation when they had to change a battery while the subjects waited UNCOMFORTABLY while you do this. It can change the dynamic And, while it's true you can try to anticipate these changes, it sure is nice when you don't have to WORRY about it, while you concentrate on all the great shots you want to take. I don't think asking for a more powerful battery in this camera is asking too much. May I ask, do you work for Canon or do you have stock in their company? Geez, you really do miss the point here. I just told you that my G10 gets more shots than the 77D that I returned (both using the same external flash) AND you actually are coming to the defense of Canon on that point? Are you real?

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

Waddizzle — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:50:30 GMT

@pcdarcan wrote:
Okay, you can get off your high horse now buddy. I can see you have missed MANY a shot at events and just don't care. That's not me! I want every shot that "I see as desirable". The Canon EOS 77D appealed to me BECAUSE of it's lighter weight. That's an easy decision. In case you are living under a rock or something, do you know how many people shoot EVENTs with prosumer cameras? Plenty. So, that case is closed. I certainly understand FULLY that no camera will ever be perfect, but battery life is ALWAYS a key point for EVENT shooters because they will all tell you that uncomfortable situation when they had to change a battery while the subjects waited UNCOMFORTABLY while you do this. It can change the dynamic And, while it's true you can try to anticipate these changes, it sure is nice when you don't have to WORRY about it, while you concentrate on all the great shots you want to take. I don't think asking for a more powerful battery in this camera is asking too much. May I ask, do you work for Canon or do you have stock in their company? Geez, you really do miss the point here. I just told you that my G10 gets more shots than the 77D that I returned (both using the same external flash) AND you actually are coming to the defense of Canon on that point? Are you real?

The EOS 77D is NOT a prosumer camera. Period. The undersized battery is one reason why I say that. But, other manufacturers suffer from comparable battery issues with most mirrorless cameras.

You are comparing apples to oranges, IMHO. Mirrorless vs DSLR.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

RobertTheFat — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 04:43:05 GMT

pcdarcan wrote:
Okay, you can get off your high horse now buddy. I can see you have missed MANY a shot at events and just don't care. That's not me! I want every shot that "I see as desirable". The Canon EOS 77D appealed to me BECAUSE of it's lighter weight. That's an easy decision. In case you are living under a rock or something, do you know how many people shoot EVENTs with prosumer cameras? Plenty. So, that case is closed. I certainly understand FULLY that no camera will ever be perfect, but battery life is ALWAYS a key point for EVENT shooters because they will all tell you that uncomfortable situation when they had to change a battery while the subjects waited UNCOMFORTABLY while you do this. It can change the dynamic And, while it's true you can try to anticipate these changes, it sure is nice when you don't have to WORRY about it, while you concentrate on all the great shots you want to take. I don't think asking for a more powerful battery in this camera is asking too much. May I ask, do you work for Canon or do you have stock in their company? Geez, you really do miss the point here. I just told you that my G10 gets more shots than the 77D that I returned (both using the same external flash) AND you actually are coming to the defense of Canon on that point? Are you real?

I assume that was aimed at me. Actually, when I've done event photography, it's generally been of the sort where missing a shot isn't an option. That's one of several reasons why I use only professional equipment.

I have no experience with the 77D (I've never even seen one), so I can't offer you any useful advice there. But as I said before, if you were a serious event photographer, you wouldn't have even tried it. And if you're just doing it for your own enjoyment, swapping the batteries would be a nuisance, not a handicap. But your G10 is OK. You may outgrow it eventually, but it should continue to serve you well for the time being.

No, I don't work for Canon, nor do I own any Canon stock. I'm a CPS Gold Member; but other than that, I'm just another Canon owner.

I don't believe you got around to telling me what point I "really do miss". So I'll return the favor by not bothering to ask.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

Waddizzle — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:13:39 GMT

Sony’s latest 43MP mirrorless offering has a new battery for Sony cameras. You can now get 500 shots on a single charge, which is a significant improvement. The 77D is rated for 800 shots. Cut those numbers in half when using professional lenses.

Keep in mind that those numbers reflect running the battery down to zero. In practice, you will get significantly fewer shots.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

ebiggs1 — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:57:21 GMT

"...key point for EVENT shooters because they will all tell you that uncomfortable situation when they had to change a battery while the subjects waited UNCOMFORTABLY while you do this."

This is a planning issue not an equipment failure. I have probably shot more 'events' than most of the current crop of responders (combined, I might add) here and I can tell you I have never heard that before.

Beside that if the 77D is your preferred choice for gear than you need to do whatever you need to do, to make it work. Like Robert above it isn't a model I would choose. It is a Prosummer level camera and is capable. But that is where it ends.

In the past I always carried a G15 or G16. Currently I carry a G1x along with my 1 series cameras. I typically take four extra 1 series batteries and two for the G1x. All fully charged ! If an important part of the event is about to happen a quick look at the battery level tells me to proceed or switch batteries. It may take 5 seconds.

In 40 years of commercial shooting I never had a dead battery. That my friend is a user error not an equipment failure.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

ebiggs1 — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:01:25 GMT

"...do you work for Canon or do you have stock in their company?"

In case that was aimed at me, the company I worked for (40 years) was 100% brand-N. I choose Canon for my personal gear. And, no, no stock in either company.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

Waddizzle — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 22:33:51 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:

It is a Prosummer level camera and is capable. But that is where it ends.
.

There is no available battery grip. That does not meet my definition of “prosumer” camera. It is a Rebel, IMHO.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

John_SD — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:34:54 GMT

@pcdarcan wrote:

"Okay, you can get off your high horse now buddy. I can see you have missed MANY a shot at events and just don't care."

Like you would know. Are you a longtime associate of Bob's? A competitor? You seem to have a close relationship with him, so tell us about the events the two of you have been to together and the "shots he missed."

"The Canon EOS 77D appealed to me BECAUSE of it's lighter weight. That's an easy decision."

The 77D isn't regarded as a real pro camera. You should get a 5D or above. If the heft is too much for you, could you get an aunty or your grandmother to help you lift it?

" In case you are living under a rock or something, do you know how many people shoot EVENTs with prosumer cameras?

Amateurs and enthusiasts. Real pros would be shooting with pro rigs. And they would be able to lift them all by themselves.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

John_SD — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:10:31 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"...key point for EVENT shooters because they will all tell you that uncomfortable situation when they had to change a battery while the subjects waited UNCOMFORTABLY while you do this."

This is a planning issue not an equipment failure. I have probably shot more 'events' than most of the current crop of responders (combined, I might add) here and I can tell you I have never heard that before.

Beside that if the 77D is your preferred choice for gear than you need to do whatever you need to do, to make it work. Like Robert above it isn't a model I would choose. It is a Prosummer level camera and is capable. But that is where it ends.

In the past I always carried a G15 or G16. Currently I carry a G1x along with my 1 series cameras. I typically take four extra 1 series batteries and two for the G1x. All fully charged ! If an important part of the event is about to happen a quick look at the battery level tells me to proceed or switch batteries. It may take 5 seconds.

In 40 years of commercial shooting I never had a dead battery. That my friend is a user error not an equipment failure.

Photography isn't for them. Have you notcied that all of these kids seem to fall apart as soon as they have an issue with the camera? It's a conspiracy, they say, as Canon wants them to buy a more expensive camera. The batteries are poorly engineered, forcing you to buy extras LOL, motherboards are set to fail as soon as they get a little warm, etc., etc. Then they tell us that they are "pros" and will not be abused by Canon anymore. The bunch of them are clowns.

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

pcdarcan — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:34:08 GMT

Went to a relative's wedding in NY in early September. The so-called pro, using his trust-worthy 5D Mark III and expensive Canon F4.0 standard zoom lens shot the bride coming down the isle. I shot from my end-seat, using a G10, powered by an external flash (430EXII), ISO 200. The average person could not see a difference in the quality of the comparison shots and although I'm not suggesting that a pro use a G10 to shoot a wedding that he's getting paid for, I also know it can be a small annoyance to pro photographer's when people (esp. their clients) cannot quickly see the difference in the image quality of cameras that are separated by thousands of dollars! It's laughable to argue that a pro MUST use a certain line of equipment. Absolutely laughable [in today's world], but I'm sure there's a measure of "pride" or perhaps "justification" needed when you drop THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on photo equipment. It's just not necessary today folks. Don't buy their rethoric or demeaning comments. There are plenty of "non" full-frame cameras that can handle event shooting - and the bonus is, less weight. So, although it may not bother some to lug around all those heavy cameras and glass, it sure is refreshing when you find alternatives that do a job that is more than acceptable... very refreshing. I get my exercise outside of lugging photo gear, so I'm all for keeping in shape. At 64, I can out-do most 40 year-olds on so many levels. But, now I'm bragging. SMILE

Re: New Cameras: M6, T7i, 77D

RobertTheFat — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 21:56:10 GMT

pcdarcan wrote:
Went to a relative's wedding in NY in early September. The so-called pro, using his trust-worthy 5D Mark III and expensive Canon F4.0 standard zoom lens shot the bride coming down the isle. I shot from my end-seat, using a G10, powered by an external flash (430EXII), ISO 200. The average person could not see a difference in the quality of the comparison shots and although I'm not suggesting that a pro use a G10 to shoot a wedding that he's getting paid for, I also know it can be a small annoyance to pro photographer's when people (esp. their clients) cannot quickly see the difference in the image quality of cameras that are separated by thousands of dollars! It's laughable to argue that a pro MUST use a certain line of equipment. Absolutely laughable [in today's world], but I'm sure there's a measure of "pride" or perhaps "justification" needed when you drop THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on photo equipment. It's just not necessary today folks. Don't buy their rethoric or demeaning comments. There are plenty of "non" full-frame cameras that can handle event shooting - and the bonus is, less weight. So, although it may not bother some to lug around all those heavy cameras and glass, it sure is refreshing when you find alternatives that do a job that is more than acceptable... very refreshing. I get my exercise outside of lugging photo gear, so I'm all for keeping in shape. At 64, I can out-do most 40 year-olds on so many levels. But, now I'm bragging. SMILE

Better equipment will make any good photographer better. How much better depends on how good you already are. The better you already are, the more difference better equipment makes. If you've reached the point at which better equipment doesn't make you better, or at which getting better is no longer your objective, you're lucky in a way, because it means that you can stop spending money.

You didn't ask for advice, but I'll offer some anyway; take it or leave it. The next time you attend a wedding, instead of ridiculing the wedding photographer, follow him/her around (staying out of the way, of course) and see what you can learn. The results may surprise you.

As for bragging, it's good to hear that you can put those upstart 40-year-olds in their place. I wonder how you stack up against those of us who are older (in some cases a lot older) than you are.