topic EOS 1DX2 and CR2 in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

EOS 1DX2 and CR2

lburriss — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:30:02 GMT

I just discovered that CR2 taken with a 1DX2 can't be viewed in PhotoShop 6 without converting using DNG, and even after conversion the thumbnails are not visible. Nor can the thumbnails be viewed in Photo Gallery (I updated the CODEC). Is there a way to "back convert" new CR2 files taken with a 1DX2 to the old CR2 format taken wiith a 1DX, which worked fine in PS 6?

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

kvbarkley — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:29:28 GMT

No, CR2's are unique to each camera, not because the file format has changed, but because the camera might have a different color and tone curve. You might be able to munge the EXIF data to tell PS6 that you have a 1DX instead of a 1DX2 using EXIFtool.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:43:12 GMT

There are all sorts of tags in the file. Not sure if just changing EXIF data would work, but worth a try.

http://lclevy.free.fr/cr2/

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

kvbarkley — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:46:29 GMT

I don't *know* that this will work for PS. I know it worked for Aperture with a Sigma or Lumix.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

TTMartin — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:15:26 GMT

@lburriss wrote:
I just discovered that CR2 taken with a 1DX2 can't be viewed in PhotoShop 6 without converting using DNG, and even after conversion the thumbnails are not visible. Nor can the thumbnails be viewed in Photo Gallery (I updated the CODEC). Is there a way to "back convert" new CR2 files taken with a 1DX2 to the old CR2 format taken wiith a 1DX, which worked fine in PS 6?

The 1DX Mk II is supported in Creative Cloud Photoshop. You might look into the Photographer's Special that Adobe has Lightroom and Photochop Creative Cloud for $10 per month.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

TCampbell — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 01:23:46 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:

The 1DX Mk II is supported in Creative Cloud Photoshop. You might look into the Photographer's Special that Adobe has Lightroom and Photochop Creative Cloud for $10 per month.

^^ this

Once Adobe releases a newer version of their software, it isn't long before the prior version stops getting updates. That's now the case for those with traditional versions of Photoshop (back when you could "buy" a license for photoshop). Today they will only "rent" you the software on their Creative Cloud (CC) system.

The $10/month requires a minimum 1 year subscription (I don't know of any way to get it for less than a year at a time). I have just occasionally seen a 1-year plan on sale through places like B&H Photo (pay in advance but it's much less than $120/year).

You can use the .DNG converter as a "free" work-around but keep in mind that nodody else seems to support ".dng" files other than Adobe. So if you need to send the files to any other software.... or if there's any possibility that in the future you might decide to use something else you may find that you've been "locked in" because your entire library would be .DNG files that nobody else supports other than Adobe.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

RobertTheFat — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 04:30:36 GMT

@TCampbell wrote:

Once Adobe releases a newer version of their software, it isn't long before the prior version stops getting updates. That's now the case for those with traditional versions of Photoshop (back when you could "buy" a license for photoshop). Today they will only "rent" you the software on their Creative Cloud (CC) system.

The $10/month requires a minimum 1 year subscription (I don't know of any way to get it for less than a year at a time). I have just occasionally seen a 1-year plan on sale through places like B&H Photo (pay in advance but it's much less than $120/year). ...

Isn't that price break always just for the first year?

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

TTMartin — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:30:03 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@TCampbell wrote:

Once Adobe releases a newer version of their software, it isn't long before the prior version stops getting updates. That's now the case for those with traditional versions of Photoshop (back when you could "buy" a license for photoshop). Today they will only "rent" you the software on their Creative Cloud (CC) system.

The $10/month requires a minimum 1 year subscription (I don't know of any way to get it for less than a year at a time). I have just occasionally seen a 1-year plan on sale through places like B&H Photo (pay in advance but it's much less than $120/year). ...

Isn't that price break always just for the first year?

The B&H 1 year discount would only be for a year. As far as I know the $10/month is the on going price for the Lightroom/Photoshop package.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

ebiggs1 — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:45:54 GMT

If you buy, you can still buy, Lightroom, it will open and edit 1Dx Mk II files. They can then be opend in PS6. If you use the DNG converter you are not locked into Adobe products because it will save a file in TIFF format.

TIFF files can be either uncompressed or compressed using lossless compression and they can be 16-bits. Multiple layered images can be saved, too. TIFF files are an excellent option which you may edit later. It introduces no compression artifacts.

LR is still updated regularly.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

RobertTheFat — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:16:26 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
If you buy, you can still buy, Lightroom, it will open and edit 1Dx Mk II files. They can then be opend in PS6. If you use the DNG converter you are not locked into Adobe products because it will save a file in TIFF format.
TIFF files can be either uncompressed or compressed using lossless compression and they can be 16-bits. Multiple layered images can be saved, too. TIFF files are an excellent option which you may edit later. It introduces no compression artifacts.
LR is still updated regularly.

If you edit the CR2 files in Lightroom, in what format do you pass them off to Photoshop? CR2? No, because they'll presumably still be in the 1DX-specific format that PS6 can't read. JPEG? You'll lose information. TIFF? Every TIFF file I ever saw was enormous - at least twice the size of the corresponding CR2 file. I don't see this as a particularly attractive solution.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

ebiggs1 — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 15:33:42 GMT

Robert form Boston,

If you edit the CR2 files in Lightroom, in what format do you pass them off to Photoshop? CR2? No, ..."

They open as CR2. LR uses the same ACR as PS. Except it is still updated in LR. If you use 'render' option in LR, they open as PSD. If you make edits in LR, you are given the choice to open the original or a copy of the edited file. At any rate any of these can be saved as a TIFF.

Disclaimer;

I will say I don't have a 1Dx Mk II to actually try this on but it is this way it works right now. Doesn't matter what brand of camera either. They all come in as RAW files.

This is a file from LR, then imported into PS6. When you do it this way it skips the normal PS screen that shows ACR adjustments because LR has already applied them.

Your favorite program of all time, DPP4 will do this, too. But I believe it converts it to a TIFF first. You can answer that.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

TTMartin — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 15:52:58 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
If you buy, you can still buy, Lightroom, it will open and edit 1Dx Mk II files. They can then be opend in PS6. If you use the DNG converter you are not locked into Adobe products because it will save a file in TIFF format.
TIFF files can be either uncompressed or compressed using lossless compression and they can be 16-bits. Multiple layered images can be saved, too. TIFF files are an excellent option which you may edit later. It introduces no compression artifacts.
LR is still updated regularly.
If you edit the CR2 files in Lightroom, in what format do you pass them off to Photoshop? CR2? No, because they'll presumably still be in the 1DX-specific format that PS6 can't read. JPEG? You'll lose information. TIFF? Every TIFF file I ever saw was enormous - at least twice the size of the corresponding CR2 file. I don't see this as a particularly attractive solution.

To me if someone doesn't have Lightroom already it doesn't make sense to spend $140 to buy Lightroom, when you can get a subscription to the latest version of Photoshop and Lightroom for $10/month.

Re: EOS 1DX2 and CR2

ebiggs1 — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:20:59 GMT

It does to me because I don't 'rent'.