topic Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high? in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ilzho — Sat, 01 Oct 2016 20:35:54 GMT

I shot a friends band at a restaurant and have a few questions.
It was not ideal lighting, but I think overall it was 'ok' for an inside patio with little light around.
My 7d Mark II wanted to go to 12800 Iso all night long, because I had it on auto iso and the lack of light. I shot in RAW.

I shot most of the pics in Manual, 2.8, 1/200-320 ss, center-weighted metering, auto iso and auto wb.

I would then set my iso to 6400 or even 3200, but the pics were VERY dark on the lcd screen.

Maybe I shouldn't put too much weight on the lcd screen? I looked at the histogram and it didn't help as everything was way too the left.

Not sure if the high iso is common in these situations or maybe I have accidentally set something that I don't remember doing that's 'asking' the camera to go that high. I can manually set the iso or set the range, but maybe I did something else, not sure...

This picture below was taken at 55 mm in manual mode, 2.8, 1/200 ss, iso 12800. My lens is EF-S 17-55 2.8 is, usm.

I lightened it up in lightroom, a lot, and reduced the noise, a lot. In the background there is a nice big blue/red Lite Beer sign as you can see the blue lights in the upper left corner.

Black and white is ok for some of these photos, but the color is a challenge for me.

Also, this musician loves to bounce, bend, and move around, so straighten the pictures is also a challenge as nothing in the background is straight. The bricks aren't nor is the banner, haha....

Your opinion, does it look ok?

It's just for him, his band and his family. I did it for fun, because I like the music and he's a friend.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

diverhank — Sat, 01 Oct 2016 22:48:23 GMT

I think it looks quite nice. But the face looks quite soft...I think you had the focus on the guitar and not his eye...

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ilzho — Sat, 01 Oct 2016 22:53:17 GMT

Well, I had the single AF point near the top of my view finder, but he dips and dives and if you aren't ready, you'll miss.... haha, which in this case that maybe true. I just picked this photo, haven't gone through and did any deletions yet......

It maybe that since I have to lighten them so much and take out all of the noise, maybe that makes everything look soft? not sure....

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

RobertTheFat — Sat, 01 Oct 2016 23:12:55 GMT

@diverhank wrote:
I think it looks quite nice. But the face looks quite soft...I think you had the focus on the guitar and not his eye...

I would have done the same. The guitar being played is the main subject. From that angle, you can't see his eyes anyway.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

Waddizzle — Sat, 01 Oct 2016 23:56:58 GMT

Nice shot. It really is. Nice work in post, especially.

http://www.dofmaster.com/doftable.html

Sometimes it helps to know how much DOF you're goint to have ahed of time. I always look this over when selecting a lens to use for a given scenario.. At a distance of 10 feet, you should have had just over one foot.

Under low light conditions, I will sometimes underexpose by 1-3 stops, just to get a higher shutter speed, and correct it in post.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ilzho — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:26:49 GMT

Thanks....

I tried to slow the shutter speed to allow more light in, but it was too much motion/blurry.

I didn't bother using tv or av, I was determined (stubborn) to learn and force myself to use manual mode. 🙂

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

TTMartin — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:35:31 GMT

@ilzho wrote:
Thanks....
I tried to slow the shutter speed to allow more light in, but it was too much motion/blurry.
I didn't bother using tv or av, I was determined (stubborn) to learn and force myself to use manual mode. 🙂

And that is the answer to your question. It is fairly easy to clean up high ISO noise. It is next to impossible to repair motion blur. Given that your lens was already wide open your only choice is to raise the ISO as much as needed which on the 7D Mk II could include ISO 16000.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ilzho — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:38:26 GMT

Yes, I'm learning......

You guys have been great, and I really appreciate it....

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 16:22:43 GMT

OK shot especially for conditions.

The only one that needs to say so is the person that you are supplying it to. BTW, if the blue bothers you that too is easily correctable in post.

My personal routine is to do lens correction upon import in LR. Then set the detail to 1.0 and about 25 or 30. Less is usually more there. Otherwise you get the super contrasty photos some guys try to pass off as nailed focus and IQ.

Lastly, I do the over correction like cropping and fixing the blue area if warranted. Whatever other stuff it needs.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ilzho — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 18:24:23 GMT

I don't mind a litte blue, it kind of adds a little 'club' effect.

Can you explain the detail that your talking about.

I assume your talking about noise reduction, detailed at 1.0 and the luminance about 25??

Hoinestly I don't mind a little grain in some of my photos.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:16:58 GMT

"I don't mind a litte blue, it kind of adds a little 'club' effect.

I don't mind a little grain in some of my photos."

That is all that is impotant.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:21:59 GMT

"Can you explain the detail that your talking about."

Yes it is under the 'Detail' tab. Usually less is more. Some evidently like the cartoon effect too much has. Or the extreme contrast of too much.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ilzho — Mon, 03 Oct 2016 02:07:39 GMT

When I use luminance it's usually under 50, and the detail is usually around 30-40 if at all and contrast is 0.

Honestly, I can crank the detail up to 100 and I don't see that much of a difference.

I guess I don't play with the detail enough to truly understand it's effectiveness.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

TTMartin — Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:00:44 GMT

@ilzho wrote:
When I use luminance it's usually under 50, and the detail is usually around 30-40 if at all and contrast is 0.
Honestly, I can crank the detail up to 100 and I don't see that much of a difference.
I guess I don't play with the detail enough to truly understand it's effectiveness.

I usually match contrast to the amount of noise reduction.
I leave the 'Detail' settings at their defaults. Like you said I don't see much difference by adjusting them, so I just leave them be.
As I've mentioned in other posts using a heavy sharpening mask (75-100), ensures that you don't sharpen noise.

It always helps to start with a photo that looks good even at Adobe's default settings.

After processing

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

ScottyP — Mon, 03 Oct 2016 22:26:22 GMT

I'm not sure the face is OOF. I think there just isn't much detail at 128k ISO.

You have a good f/2.8 lens. You might do a little better with a fast prime for indoor night use. Like a 50mm f/1.4, which would give you 2 stops of light to work with.

And to me it helps to frame tightly in low light so you don't need to crop, as blowing it up lessens detail still more.

Re: Picture with 12800 ISO, does anyone allow their camera to go that high?

Waddizzle — Mon, 03 Oct 2016 23:36:35 GMT

@ilzho wrote:
When I use luminance it's usually under 50, and the detail is usually around 30-40 if at all and contrast is 0.
Honestly, I can crank the detail up to 100 and I don't see that much of a difference.
I guess I don't play with the detail enough to truly understand it's effectiveness.

The only real issue with the photo is probably too much pixel peeping. It's a nice shot. It's another step forward, and another leap to the next level, IMHO. You're improving in leaps and bounds. You're your own worst critic. Keep it that way.

My advice was simple. Try to always be cognizant of how much DOF you have.