topic Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:52:03 GMT

Here's an issue:

400D running firmware: 1.0.4 - I am trying to update to 1.0.5, 1.1.0 or 1.1.1 - all have failed.

Attempt 1: EOS Utility - failed - it copies the .fir file to the CF card (Kingston 8GB) (correctly named) (the red LED on the camera indicates a copy operation), and the camera correctly reboots, to display 'Firmware Not Found' - this is after several formats of the CF card on both PC and Camera beforehand - to ensure it's clean. After, I can see the 4.6MB file had been copied onto the card - but the camera doesn't find it.

Attempt 2: CF Card Reader: formatted CF card in camera, then copied .fir file directly onto root of CF card - and updated via camera menu - which still cannot find the firmwre update on the card.

I have not renamed the file - my only conclusion is: the CF card, Kingston 8GB, is too large /not supported.

I have downloaded several copies of said firmwre, and three revisions to make sure it's not the file.

Essentilly, no matter what I do, the camera can't see the firmware on the CF card...

Any ideas?

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

RobertTheFat — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:31:51 GMT

@IRONcastwrote:
Here's an issue:

400D running firmware: 1.0.4 - I am trying to update to 1.0.5, 1.1.0 or 1.1.1 - all have failed.

Attempt 1: EOS Utility - failed - it copies the .fir file to the CF card (Kingston 8GB) (correctly named) (the red LED on the camera indicates a copy operation), and the camera correctly reboots, to display 'Firmware Not Found' - this is after several formats of the CF card on both PC and Camera beforehand - to ensure it's clean. After, I can see the 4.6MB file had been copied onto the card - but the camera doesn't find it.

Attempt 2: CF Card Reader: formatted CF card in camera, then copied .fir file directly onto root of CF card - and updated via camera menu - which still cannot find the firmwre update on the card.

I have not renamed the file - my only conclusion is: the CF card, Kingston 8GB, is too large /not supported.

I have downloaded several copies of said firmwre, and three revisions to make sure it's not the file.

Essentilly, no matter what I do, the camera can't see the firmware on the CF card...

Any ideas?

The firmware file you're trying to use is a .FIR file, right? Those things tend to download as a .ZIP file, so you have to extract the underlying .FIR file.

And the card reader confirms that the file at least made it to the card?

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:50:53 GMT

Thanks for the prompt response - yes, I am aware of the Self-Extracting ZIP Executable, and have specifically loaded the .fir file (after sitting with issues, one tends to follow the guides line by line) - so I am confident I've not lost a step along the way.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:51:53 GMT

I will confirm the .fir file made it, many times over, to the CF card - both by letting the EOS utility copy it, and by using a CF reader.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

shadowsports — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:57:36 GMT

Your 8GB card should be supported. Since you are having difficulty, try using another card to get the FW updated.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

ebiggs1 — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:26:55 GMT

Extract the update.

Formant the CF card in the computer.

Copy the extracted .fir file to the CF card while still in the computer. You need to use Explorer to do this or whatever its called on a Mac.

Put the CF card back into the camera which off.

Turn the camera on and follow the menu tabs to install the FW.

If this dosen't work call Canon 1 (800) 652-2666

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

RobertTheFat — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:42:46 GMT

@shadowsportswrote:
Your 8GB card should be supported. Since you are having difficulty, try using another card to get the FW updated.

I'd definitely try a smaller card. Since the camera is well out of Rev, it's possible that one of the firmware updates has to be installed before the camera will support an 8GB card.

My wife and I had XTi's (i.e., 400D's) as our first DSLRs. IIRC, the cards that came with them were no larger than about 2GB.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

BurnUnit — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 20:13:54 GMT

I'm probably making too much of a stretch here...thinking outside the box a bit...But what if...you could make a 2GB partition on the CF card, or whatever kind of card it uses. Load the required file(s) on to the smaller partition and load that card into the camera? Do you suppose it might fool the camera into thinking it was reading a 2GB card?

For that matter, is it even possible to partition a flash memory card? Proceed with this at your own risk.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 05:14:24 GMT

This is the plan, yes! The cars must be FAT16, I’m considering partitioning a chunk into a 512MB and ignoring the rest for now. If that doesn’t work I’ll find a smaller CF card under 2GB, to the guidance above - note: the camera reads all 8GB as it is.

It also crossed my mind: what if the small battery cell is affecting this operation? It is flat anyway so removing the battery results in the date being lost. Although the operation is performed with the battery in, so there’s always power - and yes, it’s fully charged.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

ebiggs1 — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:14:41 GMT

The button battery is not the issue. And, I don't think a partition is the answer, or a good idea, either. Canon does not state that in the instructions.

I don't think it is the 8gb CF card, either, but I would get the proper CF card that Canon recommends. You really need to do this exactly the way Canon says. Stop trying 'work arounds'.

Does the camera work as normal right now? If the FW is screwed up because of a failed attempt, you can not fix it. It needs to go to Canon service.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:43:39 GMT

The official recommendation is simply to use a card formatted with FAT16, no bigger than 2GB and to have it formatted in the camera. No speficic brands are quoted in the guide.

However, your guidance is noted and I'll likely get another CF card - to your point, a borked firmware is just a hassle to remediate.

The main reason for me upgrading to 1.1.X from 1.0.4 is to allow for the firmware hack for my model, allowing spot metering, and also for me to get MassStorage USB capabilities.

The camera is 100% as is.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

RobertTheFat — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:04:43 GMT

@IRONcastwrote:
The official recommendation is simply to use a card formatted with FAT16, no bigger than 2GB and to have it formatted in the camera. No speficic brands are quoted in the guide.

However, your guidance is noted and I'll likely get another CF card - to your point, a borked firmware is just a hassle to remediate.

The main reason for me upgrading to 1.1.X from 1.0.4 is to allow for the firmware hack for my model, allowing spot metering, and also for me to get MassStorage USB capabilities.

The camera is 100% as is.

Interesting. I've always wondered why I couldn't find the setting on my XTi to have it use the old protocol that cameras once used to talk to a computer via USB. (Cameras of that vintage spanned the transition and could supposedly be set to use either one.) I wonder now if a firmware upgrade removed it.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

ebiggs1 — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:15:14 GMT

"...use a card formatted with FAT16, no bigger than 2GB and to have it formatted in the camera."

This is what I would do.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

Waddizzle — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 00:29:47 GMT

@ebiggs1
"...use a card formatted with FAT16, no bigger than 2GB and to have it formatted in the camera."

Good luck finding one. This may be a validreason to shop on eBay or Amazon for memory cards.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

RobertTheFat — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 03:43:47 GMT

@Waddizzlewrote:
@ebiggs1
"...use a card formatted with FAT16, no bigger than 2GB and to have it formatted in the camera."

Good luck finding one. This may be a validreason to shop on eBay or Amazon for memory cards.

Probably everyone of a certain age has one or two of them kicking around.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

ebiggs1 — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 05:23:22 GMT

"... everyone of a certain age has one or two of them kicking around."

Yup ! I do..............

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

ebiggs1 — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 05:29:42 GMT

"Good luck finding one. "

It is possible to down size a CF card if you know how to use Windows command "Windows-> Start -> cmd)"

I think Windows disk management can do it also.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 05:38:21 GMT

I'm an enterprise linux engineer (it's just a title, trust me lol) and have been partitioning disks / arrays for around 12 years so I'm well equipped to partition petty much anything. The amount of hacks we've had to do to get things to work makes me giggle nowdays.

You'd be correct in saying WIndows Disk Management is the easiest, and even diskpart- I'll shoot straight to linux tools 😉

Let me attempt this and hopefuly won't bork the camera.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

RobertTheFat — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:04:10 GMT

@IRONcastwrote:
I'm an enterprise linux engineer (it's just a title, trust me lol) and have been partitioning disks / arrays for around 12 years so I'm well equipped to partition petty much anything. The amount of hacks we've had to do to get things to work makes me giggle nowdays.

You'd be correct in saying WIndows Disk Management is the easiest, and even diskpart- I'll shoot straight to linux tools 😉

Let me attempt this and hopefuly won't bork the camera.

Maybe you'll get lucky. But if it doesn't work, you won't know for certain whether it was the camera's inability to follow the machinations performed on the file system or something else. So if that happens, you'll pretty much have to try a CF card of the correct size.

Re: 400D Firmware - Anomolous Behaviour

IRONcast — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 09:30:26 GMT

Correct - shouldI go the partition route I will only attempt an update once the camera successfully reads, formats and stores in that partition.