topic Re: New M-5 in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

New M-5

RobertTheFat — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:22:37 GMT

Does the new M-5 advance the mirrorless ball (other than in the obvious way of finally providing a built-in eye-level viewfinder)?

The specs are rather vague regarding the camera's aotofocus system. One can read them as implying that there is no manual selection of AF points.

Re: New M-5

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:25:42 GMT

I read it's based a lot on 80D.

Re: New M-5

TTMartin — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:13:51 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:

The specs are rather vague regarding the camera's aotofocus system. One can read them as implying that there is no manual selection of AF points.

Autofocus 49 AF points

Contrast Detect (sensor)
Phase Detect
Multi-area
Center
Selective single-point
Tracking
Single
Continuous
Touch
Face Detection
Live View

Re: New M-5

TTMartin — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:15:30 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
Does the new M-5 advance the mirrorless ball (other than in the obvious way of finally providing a built-in eye-level viewfinder)?

The Dual-pixel AF sensor is a game changer for mirrorless cameras. My only question is why it took Canon so long to put it in their mirrorless camera.

Re: New M-5

Waddizzle — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:19:07 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
Does the new M-5 advance the mirrorless ball (other than in the obvious way of finally providing a built-in eye-level viewfinder)?

The specs are rather vague regarding the camera's aotofocus system. One can read them as implying that there is no manual selection of AF points.

If it is anything like the M3, then it is confusing. I still haven't quite figured it out, mainly because I haven't spent the time. That, and I mainly use manual focus lenses with it, like a Rokinon 14mm, which saves battery life.

If I remember correctly, out of the box, the M3 defaulted to the center AF point, as if you had manually selected it when you are in creative modes. It is supposed to have something like 45 AF points, but I have never seen all of them.

Re: New M-5

Waddizzle — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:39:12 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:

The specs are rather vague regarding the camera's aotofocus system. One can read them as implying that there is no manual selection of AF points.
Autofocus 49 AF points
Contrast Detect (sensor)
Phase Detect
Multi-area
Center
Selective single-point
Tracking
Single
Continuous
Touch
Face Detection
Live View

You're probably right. In Creative Modes, I haven't selected an AF point in my M3. It seemed to have defaulted to the center AF point, One Shot Mode, in the Creative modes, which is just what I wanted.

Re: New M-5

ebiggs1 — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:46:05 GMT

Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular. The M5 is getting close.

Re: New M-5

Waddizzle — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:48:11 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular. The M5 is getting close.

A cell phone? These cameras are starting to rival DSLR performance..Their compact size make them ideal for travel. They take much better pictures than a cell phone. Remember that castle I posted several months ago? M3 and EF 40mm pancake.

One of my sons is an executive chef. The M3, combined with the EF lens adapter and a quality lens, can turn out some excellent macro photos of his finsished plates of food. The camera's tilting LCD screen, and lighter weight and size, make it GREAT for taking shots in tight places.

It uses a 24 MP APS-C sensor and a DIGIC 6 processor, which is the same stuff found in the 80D and T6s. The M5 seems like it could be an ever better camera than the M3, with the integrated viewfinder. I got a lucky deal on the viewfinder when I purchased my M3.

Re: New M-5

ebiggs1 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:20:08 GMT

"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."

Re: New M-5

RobertTheFat — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:05:11 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."

I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did.

Whether one likes it or not, mirrorless cameras are almost certainly the wave of the future. Here's a prediction: Fifteen years from now, a third of the cohort of serious photographers who now use a DSLR exclusively will have never seen one.

Re: New M-5

kvbarkley — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:15:29 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."
I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did.

Whether one likes it or not, mirrorless cameras are almost certainly the wave of the future. Here's a prediction: Fifteen years from now, a third of the cohort of serious photographers who now use a DSLR exclusively will have never seen one.

I think you need to re-word this. Unless you mean that 1/3 of current DSLR photographers are using their cameras with their eyes closed. 8^)

Re: New M-5

RobertTheFat — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:07:43 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."
I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did.

Whether one likes it or not, mirrorless cameras are almost certainly the wave of the future. Here's a prediction: Fifteen years from now, a third of the cohort of serious photographers who now use a DSLR exclusively will have never seen one.
I think you need to re-word this. Unless you mean that 1/3 of current DSLR photographers are using their cameras with their eyes closed. 8^)

No, I mean that if you look at today's DSLR photographers and project into the future what the corresponding group of users will look like 15 years from now (when many of us will be dead or in nursing homes), many of the group's new, younger members will have bypassed DSLRs entirely. Obviously I have no actual knowledge of what the percentage will be or how long it will take. But barring some unexpected technological advance, I think it's bound to happen.

Re: New M-5

TTMartin — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:26:35 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."
I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did.

Whether one likes it or not, mirrorless cameras are almost certainly the wave of the future. Here's a prediction: Fifteen years from now, a third of the cohort of serious photographers who now use a DSLR exclusively will have never seen one.
I think you need to re-word this. Unless you mean that 1/3 of current DSLR photographers are using their cameras with their eyes closed. 8^)

Nope he is spot on. 15 years ago how many serious photographers had a dSLR?

16 years ago I got my first digital camera (Canon and it still works), but, it wasn't a dSLR. It wasn't until 2004 that I got a dSLR, and honestly it was a [expletive deleted] (Nikon).

Re: New M-5

kvbarkley — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:19:13 GMT

I know what you meant, but you said that in 15 years, 1/3 of serious photographers who currently use a DSLR will never have seen one.

You meant: 15 years from now 1/3 of the serious photographers will never have used a DSLR, they will have only used mirrorless.

Re: New M-5

RobertTheFat — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:30:01 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
I know what you meant, but you said that in 15 years, 1/3 of serious photographers who currently use a DSLR will never have seen one.

You meant: 15 years from now 1/3 of the serious photographers will never have used a DSLR, they will have only used mirrorless.

I think everybody now knows what I meant. I guess I can live with the perceived ambiguity of my original statement. My record as a prognosticator isn't good enough to justify any further attempt at clarification.

BTW, I just noticed that Canon's spellchecker doesn't recognize "mirrorless" as a word. Somebody should correct that oversight.

Re: New M-5

kvbarkley — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:32:35 GMT

Sorry, I was just making a joke. Hence the smiley.

Re: New M-5

Waddizzle — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:43:27 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@kvbarkley wrote:
I know what you meant, but you said that in 15 years, 1/3 of serious photographers who currently use a DSLR will never have seen one.

You meant: 15 years from now 1/3 of the serious photographers will never have used a DSLR, they will have only used mirrorless.
I think everybody now knows what I meant. I guess I can live with the perceived ambiguity of my original statement. My record as a prognosticator isn't good enough to justify any further attempt at clarification.

BTW, I just noticed that Canon's spellchecker doesn't recognize "mirrorless" as a word. Somebody should correct that oversight.

I think the game changer will be come when someone can make a reliable, full-frame mirrorless camera with a selling price comparable to full-frame DSLRs. I'm guessing Canon may be a couple years away from, assuming they're even trying to head in that direction.

The current EF-M lenses are not professional lenses, and the M bodies are too small to hold a battery that can shoot more than 200 shots, or so. I mostly use manual lenses with my M3 to not drain the battery with EF size lenses. I discovered that it has manual focus peaking after I started using it, which is great for macro shots.

I only know about FF mirrorless cameras from Sony and Leica. The Leicas cost an arm and two legs. The Sony cameras have a growing reputation for overheating when shooting video. The still photo performance of the Sony FF mirrorless cameras doesn't stand out from the crowd, either.

Re: New M-5

ebiggs1 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:26:57 GMT

B from B,

"ebiggs1 wrote:

"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."

I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did."

Let's see you don't get the point but you don't agree with it? OK! Maybe one of the problems with this forum, ya think?

Kids today and young adults and even some older people are used to using a cell phone with all the social connections it brings. Until a camera like the M5 or any other P&S operates like a cell phone it will never be popular. It has to have connectivity and touch screens that type stuff.

The first thing that happens when I hand my camera to somebody is they look at the back of the LDC to see the picture. I have to tell then, "No you need to look through the view finder!" This is foreign to them and odd. Then try to explain they can't put the picture they just took on their FB page. No, again I say, you have to go home get your computer fired up. Take this silly little SD card out of the camera and u/l it to the computer. Then you can u/l it to FB.

Don't try and say well the M5 has wi-fi because it is a joke compared to a cell phone. So is it's bluethooth. Yeah, it 'finally' has a form of touch screen so maybe there is hope.

The camera companies haven't seemed to learn this so I am not surprised any of you don't realize it either.

Re: New M-5

TTMartin — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:49:42 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
B from B,
@"ebiggs1 wrote:
"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."
I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did."

Let's see you don't get the point but you don't agree with it? OK! Maybe one of the problems with this forum, ya think?

Kids today and young adults and even some older people are used to using a cell phone with all the social connections it brings. Until a camera like the M5 or any other P&S operates like a cell phone it will never be popular. It has to have connectivity and touch screens that type stuff.
The first thing that happens when I hand my camera to somebody is they look at the back of the LDC to see the picture. I have to tell then, "No you need to look through the view finder!" This is foreign to them and odd. Then try to explain they can't put the picture they just took on their FB page. No, again I say, you have to go home get your computer fired up. Take this silly little SD card out of the camera and u/l it to the computer. Then you can u/l it to FB.
Don't try and say well the M5 has wi-fi because it is a joke compared to a cell phone. So is it's bluethooth. Yeah, it 'finally' has a form of touch screen so maybe there is hope.

The camera companies haven't seemed to learn this so I am not surprised any of you don't realize it either.

Technical savvy users (Millennials), will know how to use the WiFi and Bluetooth of the M5 to immediately upload their photos to Facebook and other social media.

Canon Camera Connect

Re: New M-5

Waddizzle — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:02:03 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
B from B,
@"ebiggs1 wrote:
"Until cameras like the M5 work just like a cell phone they will never be popular."
I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make; in fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I don't think I'd agree with it if I did."

Let's see you don't get the point but you don't agree with it? OK! Maybe one of the problems with this forum, ya think?

Kids today and young adults and even some older people are used to using a cell phone with all the social connections it brings. Until a camera like the M5 or any other P&S operates like a cell phone it will never be popular. It has to have connectivity and touch screens that type stuff.
The first thing that happens when I hand my camera to somebody is they look at the back of the LDC to see the picture. I have to tell then, "No you need to look through the view finder!" This is foreign to them and odd. Then try to explain they can't put the picture they just took on their FB page. No, again I say, you have to go home get your computer fired up. Take this silly little SD card out of the camera and u/l it to the computer. Then you can u/l it to FB.
Don't try and say well the M5 has wi-fi because it is a joke compared to a cell phone. So is it's bluethooth. Yeah, it 'finally' has a form of touch screen so maybe there is hope.

The camera companies haven't seemed to learn this so I am not surprised any of you don't realize it either.

Technical savvy users (Millennials), will know how to use the WiFi and Bluetooth of the M5 to immediately upload their photos to Facebook and other social media.

Canon Camera Connect

My sons upload stuff to their smartphones, and from there they're good to go from there.