topic Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:57:26 GMT

I'm professional photographer who is using Canon 6d for 2 years already, over 100 thousand shots. It is fantastic camera but now it is in the end of its production term, and I think Canon will release 6D mark II next year. If so, here is list of desired upgrades, ie what I think 6d mark II should look like:

1. Articulating/Tilting screen. It is very handy feature allowing to use live view mode for precise non center focusing, no need to lie on the floor, you can shoot concerts, events inside crowd of people simply by holding camera in raised hands, yes it is required for pro shooting as well as for enthusiasts.

2. 7 frames per second shooting. 2nd big limitation of current 6d, low frames per second is bad, especially when competitors have 15 fps.

3. Built in Intervalometer. Cheap software realization, but it is very handy to have it built-in, for timelapses and astrophoto, rather then using external device.

4. Focus Peaking. Extremely useful feature, even with autofocus lenses. It allows not only to focus precisely but also teaches photo and videographers how to use their glass precisely, showing real depth of field.

5. Easier WiFi initial setup. I've no problems with it, but several of my friends had troubles and were unable to setup wifi on 6d due to its complexity. Less options per screen and step-by-step automated wizard with in camera help showing how to setup mobile phone or tablet will be fine.

6. 22-24 megapixel matrix with little wider dynamic range, +0.5 ev is fine (just to kick Nikon's ass:)).

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ebiggs1 — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:59:21 GMT

I guess you can wish all you want. But in reality there is only one 'true' pro camera in the Canon line. The 1Dx. That is what a pro camera looks like and how it is built. IMHO, the 6D is not a full on pro body. It is an entry level FF for folks that don't want to drop the dime on a 5D Mk III. It is more similar to the 7D series than to the pro series.

Sounds like you really want to be in the xxD series IE like the 70D.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:19:47 GMT

Im not saying 6d is a pro camera, only that it is used by both pros and non-pro photographers. Concerning xxD series, yes it has articulating screen, but its ISO performance and image quality overall does not match FF camera. So it would be nice to have FF camera with pro level IQ and handy ergonomics of xxD cameras.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ebiggs1 — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:53:59 GMT

So what you really want is a FF xxD.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

TTMartin — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 16:08:41 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
So what you really want is a FF xxD.

Yes, a full frame 70Ds.

Though I would prefer the current GPS and no built in flash of the 6D, over the built in flash and no GPS of the 70D. Otherwise, things like the tilt swivel screen, 19 point AF system, FPS of the 70D would make a nice upgrade to the current 6D. I doubt we'll see the Dual-Pixel AF system in that level FF camera though.

And honestly I don't think the 6D ever should have had an XD moniker, other than the full frame sensor, it is more on par with the XXD, or even T6s level cameras.

And as to the increase in dynamic range, I haven't had any issues with the dynamic range of the current 6D.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 16:35:43 GMT

I want 6d mark II, entry level FF camera, without 14fps, super autofocus or precise white balance of a pro camera, but with handy features like 70d has, ie relatively low weight, articulating screen, built in WiFi, GPS, intervalometer. xxD series is handy, but it has poor image quality compared to FF, far lower tonal range, ISO, crop factor, so this will still be complete different products.

Don’t think built-in flash is required, since you can buy separate small and light fill-in flash like 90ex.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ScottyP — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 16:55:27 GMT

Funny your original post mentioned so many things but made no reference to better AF. Virtually every other person who has undertaken to list needed 6d2 upgrades have led with better AF. My own list certainly does. I would like to be able to trust outer AF points at narrow DOF apertures but I don't trust them for that on 6d1. How about even 50 or so points, ALL cross type ?

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:45:18 GMT

Yes, indeed, i dont need super autofocus, it is for the cameras like 5D or 1D series. In my 6d I use only one central point + recompose, and live view flexizone for precise contrast focusing.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:56:25 GMT

We are talking about entry level camera, so it must not have pro features like weather sealing, super fast autofocus or precise WB. But it must have articulating screen, focus peaking, ie things from which new photographer can learn how to make great photos.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

RobertTheFat — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:14:03 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
I guess you can wish all you want. But in reality there is only one 'true' pro camera in the Canon line. The 1Dx. That is what a pro camera looks like and how it is built. ...

Then why do I see so many pros carrying 5D series cameras? I think you're using the term "pro" camera when what you mean is "ultra-heavy duty" camera. Many pros neither need an ultra-heavy duty camera nor are willing to lug one (or two or three) around with them.

I loved the quip you quoted last year (I believe it was you) to the effect that one could bash someone's head in with a 1D, then use it to take the crime scene photos. But if you're never likely to need that capability, it may not be a priority.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ScottyP — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 01:17:38 GMT

However you want to categorize it, a full frame camera that costs $1,400 should not have just 11 AF points with only one cross type when a Rebel T6i has 19 all cross type.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 06:07:41 GMT

6d mark II will cost ~2000$ I guess, at least it will be launch price. Yes, 11AF points is very low amount, and Ill sure there will be more in 6D II.

Btw we can discuss more features of 6d II here, ie how this camera should look like, your thoughts and hopes about it. Just be realistic).

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ebiggs1 — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 13:45:15 GMT

Roberto la grasa,

It depends on in which circles you run around in.

There are two kinds of "pros". The full time pro that makes his bread and butter with his camera. Then there is the part time pro that makes money with his camera but has a real job elsewhere. The latter was me at Hallmark.

When I got to digital I used many cameras but my main camera was and is a 1 series. Now exclusively. But I also used two 7D's. All the 5 series and even had five XTi's. I have had a couple G series and still have a G15.

However, none of that makes them a pro level camera. The only full on pro and flagship camera in the Canon line is the 1 series.

To the part timer a pro camera whether it is a 5D Mk III or a 1Dx, it is a large investment. But to the full time pro, it is just an entry line in the books.

You are not going to see gimicky things like a flip out touch scree on a 1 series (kinda a chimper thing). You won't even see a mode dial like the 5D Mk III has. It seems Canon's line of reducing the number in the xD line indicates a better higher quality, more pro oriented camera. IE the 7D, 6D. and finally the 5D. I suspose at some point there will likely be a 4D that is better than the current 5D Mk III.

This is no different than the Nikon line. The D series, like the D4s, is Nikon's full on pro flagship camera. The others are 'nice' but not really a pro camera. Even though some pros will use them!

Pro features and technology always seem to find its way into the lesser cameras in time. Look at the current T6i. Pretty darn good camera in anybodies book. Is it a pro camera?

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 22:34:23 GMT

Yes, only 1Dx is pro camera, 5d III officially called semi pro, as well as 6D. But we are discussing 6d mark II desired features here.

I guess 6d mark II will have 24mp matrix with ISO 100 - 102400 range.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ebiggs1 — Sat, 05 Sep 2015 19:28:11 GMT

When you start a thread there is no telling where it will go. If you ask for professional features, you may end up with differing answers. Canon will never offer things that compromise 1Dx status as the flagship camera. Those only trickle down.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Sun, 06 Sep 2015 20:56:20 GMT

I'm not asking for professional features, iso 102400 will mostlikely become semi pro camera standard in 2016, since maximum iso 51200 was a standard for semi pro cameras of 2014 (like Nikon d750).

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

ebiggs1 — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:19:25 GMT

Just keep in mind and remeber, be realistic. But you can wish for anything, I guess.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

Waddizzle — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 23:09:38 GMT

If you really must have a rotating/tilting LCD screen, they sell external 5/6/7 inch LCD monitors. I've considered buying one for when I want to do Live View focusing, and then always wish for a larger screen that I could turn and tilt towards my face.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:23:57 GMT

Of course you can by external HDMI monitor, but it is + 0,4 kg weight, camera will be harder to turn and move, and you will be unable to use flash on camera.

Re: Canon 6d mark II desired features

VladimirP — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:25:09 GMT

But if there is no tiliting screen, then external monitor is only solution.