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thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

Cannon88 — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:26:56 GMT

hello, i have a T2i i got for christmas about a year and 3 months ago, i am thinking of upgrading to a canon 5D mark II in a few months. i am in college for commerical photography and im also getting into doing wedding photography. i am curious cause i pretty much started when i got the camera and i notice a bunch of things and i love my sister's 5D mark III but i am not that experienced yet. i am taking my time and learning every day. but i want to know if that would be the best option for me so soon. i am going to invest in better lenses and i already have a flash 430 ex ll also a tripod. i dont know if i am jumping to fast into getting a better camera so quickly..

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

HDCamTeam — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:46:35 GMT

@Cannon88 wrote:
hello, i have a T2i i got for christmas about a year and 3 months ago, i am thinking of upgrading to a canon 5D mark II in a few months. i am in college for commerical photography and im also getting into doing wedding photography. i am curious cause i pretty much started when i got the camera and i notice a bunch of things and i love my sister's 5D mark III but i am not that experienced yet. i am taking my time and learning every day. but i want to know if that would be the best option for me so soon. i am going to invest in better lenses and i already have a flash 430 ex ll also a tripod. i dont know if i am jumping to fast into getting a better camera so quickly..

Hi,

You meant jumping to the 5D Mark 2 or 5D Mark 3? It wasn't very clear above. There's a LOT of differences between these two models (besides the price 🙂 )

Cheers

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

Cannon88 — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:47:57 GMT

just getting the 5D ll

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7D5D — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:35:44 GMT

I would not be afraid to jump to a 5D mk III from a T2i. You certainly sound like a great candidate for the mk III. I'm still learning about mine and probably always will be so don't let that steer you away from a mk III. Assuming you got the funds, that is the way I'd go. Of course you don't want to skimp on glass to get there.

I'm assuming you have some EF-S lens. If so, I'd sell those and put the money towards the 5D mk III kit which includes the 24-105. The kit along with your 430EX II can take you a long ways. Good luck

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kev857 — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:06:40 GMT

what lens r u thinking of getting??

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Cannon88 — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:09:30 GMT

well im thinking of getting the EF 24-70mm 1:2:8 lens... i am going to sell the camera with the kit lens that i got. its a big step for me since im attached to my T2i.. but if its worth it in the end i'm better off..

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ScottyP — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:38:49 GMT

A full frame Canon is often paired with an EF 24-105L f/4 IS lens. It has IS, and it is a very good lens, with a very useful focal range. Even buying used, you might get the used lens with it. Either way, the lens is very cheap when part of a package like that. So cheap that you could also grab yourself a nice prime lens, like 85mm f/1.8 for just $350.00 new.

Having both lenses, and having IS and the more useful focal range on the 24-105, and having the wider f/1.8 aperture on the prime, would more than make up for the 24-70's 1 stop wider aperture (f/2.8 vs. f/4).

Also, conventional thinking says the 24-70 (at 70) is not quite enough telephoto to be ideal for portraits, but the 85mm is.

Also, you will find that f/4 on a full frame gives the narrow DOF background blur/subject separation trick 1 1/3 stops better than the same lens on your crop did, so there is that.

Good luck with your rapidly expanding photography!

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kev857 — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:50:27 GMT

Hi Canon 88

the new 24-70 mk ll will be great, i personally have the older version its ok !, and yes you wll notice a big differance, but once you use L series forget about going back to the average offerings.

just my thoughts for what there worth, and as for 85mm there is one lens to get ,

regards

Kev857

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

Cannon88 — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:05:24 GMT

yea, i totally agree. my sister has that lens and the mk iii and omg such a difference its sick! i seen the quality and it had me when i seen it.. my T2i is great i love it but seeing the better qualities in other camera's and the lenses just had me and this is why im thinking of jumping up to the mk ii

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

Cannon88 — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:06:07 GMT

thanks for answering my post. i def will look up that lens.

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kev857 — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 05:26:15 GMT

HI CANON 88

ITS NO PROBLEM, SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO START TAKING UP PHOTOGRAPHY AND MOVE UP TO A DLSR ASK ADVICE , WHY ME????

AND ALWAYS THE SAME ADVICE BUY A L SERIES LENS AND A BASIC ENTRY BODY, AS THEY SAY ITS ALL ABOUT LIGHT!!!

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

HDCamTeam — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:08:15 GMT

I would just add that not all "L" lenses will ALWAYS deliver the best performance. There are still some non-L lenses that performs as well, and sometimes even a bit better in some aspects.

The point is: get the camera you need, trying to avoid spending all your budget on it, and get the best lens you can according to your shooting needs or projects. Lenses don't usually loose value, cameras do.

The image quality may be almost the same (in some circunstances, of course) when using cameras with huge difference in price. But if you get the most expensive camera and put a bad lens on it, you'll never get good pictures. Optics are essential in almost all cases.

There are several factors to consider when choosing a lens to buy, but that's another story.

Cheers!

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ebiggs1 — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:29:53 GMT

If you can swing it go for the 5D Mk III and 24-105mm f4 IS. If not the same with the 5D Mk II.

Don't bother with a flash especially if you get the Mk III. You may find you will never need it.

Flashes like filters are nearly a thing of the past!

Re: thinking of upgrading.. Need advice..

hsbn — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:29:26 GMT

"Flashes like filters are nearly a thing of the past!"

Seriously?

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ebiggs1 — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:55:40 GMT

Seriously, yes! I have almost pushed my 430 and 580 into just the fill light category. Key word here is "almost"!

Keep that in mind.

Now consider the 5D Mk III and the 1D x. It won't be long until flashes are totally unnecessary.

Just like filters.

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hsbn — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:02:39 GMT

Try to replace polariser effect with post processing. So with high ISO, you photo will look just like ones from those iphone. But i'm glad if that day come. More clients for me and it will set me apart from the crowd.

But it's alright, no point of debate. If it works for you then keep up the good work.

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

ebiggs1 — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:30:55 GMT

You are missing the ..."Key word here is "almost"!"

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Skirball — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:24:40 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
You are missing the ..."Key word here is "almost"!"

It's nowhere in the ballpark of 'almost'. I think you're severly underestimating the flexibility and dimensions that flash brings to photography. Maybe you don't look at much photography outside of landscape, in which case I can see where you're coming from, but saying that you can replace flash with just High ISO performance and post work just shows ignorance on the subject.

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ebiggs1 — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:02:15 GMT

And the OP is free to take whichever advice he sees fit. I say leave the flash (430EX) and filters (except UV) in the store and buy more camera. Or at least save that money towards a better camera. You say go for the filters and flash. Pretty straight forward choice, I'd say.

My advice is 5D Mk III and 24-105mm f4 IS. And I maintain it will get "almost" every photo anyone would want.

Re: thinking of upgrading.. need advice..

Skirball — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:47:28 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
And the OP is free to take whichever advice he sees fit. I say leave the flash (430EX) and filters (except UV) in the store and buy more camera. Or at least save that money towards a better camera. You say go for the filters and flash. Pretty straight forward choice, I'd say.
My advice is 5D Mk III and 24-105mm f4 IS. And I maintain it will get "almost" every photo anyone would want.

I'm not saying that at all, I was just trying to express to the OP not to believe everything you read on the internet, because in my opinion you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Seems the majority of people that visit these camera sites are obsessed with gear and having the latest. And from what I've seen on flickr and whatnot, there are a lot of people with top of the line gear that are quite frankly terrible at using it. Don't get me wrong, I don't care what people spend their money on, if it makes you happy to have the latest instead of learning how to use what you have, by all means, go for it. But I feel bad for all the noobies that come here getting terrible advice to UPGRADE UPGRADE UPGRADE everything they have from you gear heads.

For the record, he already has a flash, he says it quite clearly in his first post. He also says that he got a t2i a little over a year ago, and that's the extent of his experience. I'm going to further assume that all he has is the kit len(s). So why the hell should he run out and by a top of the line setup like the 5d3? Seriously? Give me a break. The camera is plenty fine to learn on. He doesn't even say why he needs to upgrade, which makes me assume he's been online and seen one to many posts by people like you. People should upgrade because their camera isn't giving them what they need, not because... Oh! Shiny!

OP: I recently upgraded to a 6D, after 7 years with my trusty 400D. I've dragged that camera through close to 30 countries, and clicked over 100,000 frames. I got some lenses, got some flashes, and expanded my knowledge. It's a hobby, but I learned enough to get some paid jobs doing weddings, portraiture, and architectural. It's funny, despite Bigg's beliefs, it was my work with flash that got me most of that work. That work paid for all the equipment I amassed over the years, and then some, so I figured I earned an upgrade. Could I have had a bit more flexibility if I upgraded sooner? Sure. But it didn't stop me from realizing the images in my head onto my sensor.

If you're looking for opinions, here's mine: Go get some new glass (assuming you just have a kit lens). Get a decent fast prime. Get a good all around zoom at constant 2.8. Maybe treat yourself and get a specialty lens like the fantastic 100mm Macro or an ultrawide angle, and have some fun. Yes, when you move up to weddings you'll need a better camera, but you'll need the glass too, and the experience. No offense, but I'd be livid if I hired a photographer for my big day that shows up with a 5d3 kit and then find out he has all of a year and a half experience. I'm sure some of the kids in your glass have top notch gear... it doesn't matter, show them what you can do with your T2i.