topic Re: Digital Photo Professional in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Digital Photo Professional

steveparent — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 15:25:35 GMT

Hi,

The Canon 70d is a very nice camera that is quite new.

Will the DPP 4.1.xx software be available for it in the future?

Thanks,

Steve

Re: Digital Photo Professional

Skirball — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:06:38 GMT

I don't know if anybody (outside of Canon) knows for sure, but the assumption is yes. Canon said something along the lines of 'the initial release of DPP 4 and EOS 3 will be compatible with the full frame cameras..." Which most interpret to mean that the full line will be added eventually. No idea when, or why they would use this strategy.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

Skirball — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:46:29 GMT

@steveparent wrote:
Hi,
The Canon 70d is a very nice camera that is quite new.
Will the DPP 4.1.xx software be available for it in the future?
Thanks,

Steve

Yes, on December 17. 🙂

Version 4.1.15 is out, which supports the 70D. Interestingly, they only added a specific selection of cameras such as the EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 700D and EOS 100D.

I can't say I like where Canon is coming from on this choice, and I'd like to hear their thought behind it. Models like the 600D and 650D are almost identical to the 700D, so I can't imagine it would have taken much to add those. Truthfully I don't know why all Canon cameras wouldn't be supported.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/dpp_4_1_50_available_with_support_for_more_cameras.do

Re: Digital Photo Professional

RobertTheFat — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:21:22 GMT

@Skirball wrote:
@steveparent wrote:
Hi,
The Canon 70d is a very nice camera that is quite new.
Will the DPP 4.1.xx software be available for it in the future?
Thanks,

Steve
Yes, on December 17. 🙂

Version 4.1.15 is out, which supports the 70D. Interestingly, they only added a specific selection of cameras such as the EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 700D and EOS 100D.

I can't say I like where Canon is coming from on this choice, and I'd like to hear their thought behind it. Models like the 600D and 650D are almost identical to the 700D, so I can't imagine it would have taken much to add those. Truthfully I don't know why all Canon cameras wouldn't be supported.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/dpp_4_1_50_available_with_support_for_more_cameras.do

Hmmm... It's already the 18th, and I can't find it on the Canon Web site. But if true, it's certainly good news. It's been absurdly inconvenient to use Version 4 on pictures I take with my 5D3 but to have to use Version 3 on pictures taken with my 7D's. And when, in the previous release, they included the 7D2 but not the 7D, I was livid.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

Skirball — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:25:36 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
Hmmm... It's already the 18th, and I can't find it on the Canon Web site. But if true, it's certainly good news. It's been absurdly inconvenient to use Version 4 on pictures I take with my 5D3 but to have to use Version 3 on pictures taken with my 7D's. And when, in the previous release, they included the 7D2 but not the 7D, I was livid.

I totally agree. I don't use DPP, but for those who do this would be very inconvenient. But what about someone who has a 5d3 and a 60D? Or a 6D and a 650D? It's absurd that they limit who can use it and who can't. Very reminicient of Apple's obsolescence business strategies.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

KingEyre — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:11:56 GMT

This is the info, including the link to the Canon website.

Canon has released an updated version of its Digital Photo Professional (DPP) software, which now supports – in addition to its current range of full-frame DSLRs – the EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 700D and EOS 100D…

Launched in September 2014, Digital Photo Professional 4 was Canon’s first sweeping change to its popular RAW processing software since its original launch. The latest version of DPP – version 4.1.50 – is a response to feedback from owners of older full-frame and APS-C cameras who are looking for the very latest RAW workflow solution.

Additionally, DPP 4.1.50 supports the recently launched EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM and EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM lenses, the profiles for which are now available for use with the Lens Correction function.

Commenting on the update, Mike Owen, European Professional Imaging Communications Manager, Professional Imaging Department, Canon Europe, said: “DPP 4.0 has proved incredibly popular with our customers and this latest update further extends its appeal to a wider range of users, such as those using the highly successful EOS 5D Mark II. Canon remains firmly committed to offering a complete range of products to photographers and increasingly its software solutions are playing a vital role in delivering the ultimate in image quality from capture to output.”

DPP 4.1.50: KEY FEATURES

Faster, real-time adjustments.
Improved RAW file workflow.
Better, more approachable user interfaces.
Compatible with 64-bit native environments.
Colour adjustments for specific colour gamuts.
Improved highlight recovery provides expanded tonality.
Improved shadow recovery function.
Support for movie playback.
Auto Lighting Optimizer can be applied to JPEG images.
Better integration with EOS Utility.

You can download DPP 4.1.50 now, free of charge, from Canon Europe’s support site here. Just click on your camera – EOS-1D X, EOS-1D C, EOS 5D Mark III, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 6D, EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 700D and EOS 100D – and select DPP 4.1.50 from the software options to download.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

ebiggs1 — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:55:26 GMT

"And when, in the previous release, they included the 7D2 but not the 7D, I was livid."

And, yet, another reason to use Light Room.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

RobertTheFat — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:39:02 GMT

@KingEyre wrote:
This is the info, including the link to the Canon website.

Canon has released an updated version of its Digital Photo Professional (DPP) software, which now supports – in addition to its current range of full-frame DSLRs – the EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 700D and EOS 100D…
Launched in September 2014, Digital Photo Professional 4 was Canon’s first sweeping change to its popular RAW processing software since its original launch. The latest version of DPP – version 4.1.50 – is a response to feedback from owners of older full-frame and APS-C cameras who are looking for the very latest RAW workflow solution.
Additionally, DPP 4.1.50 supports the recently launched EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM and EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM lenses, the profiles for which are now available for use with the Lens Correction function.
Commenting on the update, Mike Owen, European Professional Imaging Communications Manager, Professional Imaging Department, Canon Europe, said: “DPP 4.0 has proved incredibly popular with our customers and this latest update further extends its appeal to a wider range of users, such as those using the highly successful EOS 5D Mark II. Canon remains firmly committed to offering a complete range of products to photographers and increasingly its software solutions are playing a vital role in delivering the ultimate in image quality from capture to output.”
DPP 4.1.50: KEY FEATURES
Faster, real-time adjustments.
Improved RAW file workflow.
Better, more approachable user interfaces.
Compatible with 64-bit native environments.
Colour adjustments for specific colour gamuts.
Improved highlight recovery provides expanded tonality.
Improved shadow recovery function.
Support for movie playback.
Auto Lighting Optimizer can be applied to JPEG images.
Better integration with EOS Utility.
You can download DPP 4.1.50 now, free of charge, from Canon Europe’s support site here. Just click on your camera – EOS-1D X, EOS-1D C, EOS 5D Mark III, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 6D, EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 700D and EOS 100D – and select DPP 4.1.50 from the software options to download.

I got it, and it seems to work. I haven't had a chance yet to see whether it fixes any of the bugs in the previous release or improves on the awkward user interface. But it does work on my 7D RAW files, which is what I badly wanted. That said, it still doesn't work on files from my wife's T2i; and since we do some photo shoots together, that remains an annoying inconvenience. I think they should just make V4 work on all .CR2 RAW files.

As of this morning, the new release is still not on the Canon USA Web site, nor is there any mention of it there.

If you haven't downloaded DPP V4 before, don't be blindsided by the fact that they make you enter the serial number of a qualifying camera. If you don't have that on your computer, you'll want to look it up ahead of time.

There's also a new release of Version 3 of EOS Utility. But it appears that the only addition is the aberration data for one or two recently released lenses.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

RobertTheFat — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:48:24 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"And when, in the previous release, they included the 7D2 but not the 7D, I was livid."

And, yet, another reason to use Light Room.

I'll add it to my list. Which still, however, contains more reasons not to.

Actually, now that they've made V4 work with RAW files from the 7D, that reason comes back off of the list.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

Stephen — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:17:18 GMT

Hi everyone!

We have some great news, the newest version of Digital Photo Professional and EOS Utility just went live! Happy downloading!

Get it HERE

Re: Digital Photo Professional

KingEyre — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:42:08 GMT

Canon US a day behind Canon Europe...that's a first!!

Re: Digital Photo Professional

ebiggs1 — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:56:53 GMT

ebiggs1 wrote:
"And when, in the previous release, they included the 7D2 but not the 7D, I was livid."

And, yet, another reason to use Light Room.

I'll add it to my list. Which still, however, contains more reasons not to.

Actually, now that they've made V4 work with RAW files from the 7D, that reason comes back off of the list.

Bob
Boston, Massachusetts USA

Bob from Boston,

I try DPP every so often just to see if there is any reason to use it or switch. Even a good or bad reason, just any reason. I keep trying and I will likey keep trying with this version. I see a big problem for me right off, however, it only supports one of my cameras. The 1D Mk IV. I have all the 1 series here exceptign the 1Dx. I use the 1d4 and the 1ds3 99.5% of the time.

Still my firm conclusion is, DPP is awful. ACR and PS and LR are so much better and, yes, they work with all my cameras!

Why would anybody buy a program when there is one offered for free, if that program offered any good features? That alone speakes volumes. Yet that is what the way vast majority of the photography world does.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

RobertTheFat — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:20:21 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:

Bob from Boston,
I try DPP every so often just to see if there is any reason to use it or switch. Even a good or bad reason, just any reason. I keep trying and I will likey keep trying with this version. I see a big problem for me right off, however, it only supports one of my cameras. The 1D Mk IV. I have all the 1 series here exceptign the 1Dx. I use the 1d4 and the 1ds3 99.5% of the time.

Still my firm conclusion is, DPP is awful. ACR and PS and LR are so much better and, yes, they work with all my cameras!
Why would anybody buy a program when there is one offered for free, if that program offered any good features? That alone speakes volumes. Yet that is what the way vast majority of the photography world does.

I don't think the perfect photo editor has been written. DPP (in either of its current menifestations) certainly isn't it, but I doubt that Lightroom is either.

DPP is buggy and has one of the least intuititive user interfaces this side of NetBackup. But it provides a fair amount of editing capability, and Canon does a good job of keeping it consistent with their latest equipment. Since it's free, I can install it on all of the computers (of which there are several) that I routinely use. And all changes are maintained as metadata in the original image file, without recourse to databases or "sidecar" files. That's an important feature that I don't believe is provided in PS or LR.

I may be wrong, but I suspect that you haven't used DPP enough to get past its quirks and seriously assess its capabilities. But that's fine; I have no interest in criticizing your workflow or trying to get you to change editors. Your "firm conclusion" that DPP is awful doesn't bother me in the least. But if that firm conclusion is based on less than a thorough understanding of how to get the most out of it, I think you do new users a disservice by urging them to eschew DPP without giving it a fair trial.

I do sympathize with - and share - your complaint that DPP V4 doesn't support all your cameras. While the latest release does now support the cameras (5D3, 7D) that I use 99.5% of the time, it still doesn't support my wife's T2i, and that's a significant inconvenience. But not - at least so far - enough to induce me to consider changing editors. (My problem would go away if my wife were willing to carry a heavier camera, but she isn't.)

Re: Digital Photo Professional

TCampbell — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:21:32 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:

Still my firm conclusion is, DPP is awful. ACR and PS and LR are so much better and, yes, they work with all my cameras!
Why would anybody buy a program when there is one offered for free, if that program offered any good features? That alone speakes volumes. Yet that is what the way vast majority of the photography world does.

I seldom use DPP myself, but I do know those who particularly like it's RAW demosaicing algorithm more than the others. They claim that if they use DPP to convert a RAW that the resulting JPEG looks better than a JPEG converted by Adobe... that the JPEG is more accurate. This somewhat makes sense given that Canon wrote the converter that lives inside your camera so they have the ability to use the same algorithm for the one in DPP.

My reason for liking programs like Lightroom (I'm still on Aperture but will likely convert to Lr in the near future) is more about the "workflow" and also the asset management. I like having my whole image library accessible to me (not having to load images one at a time) and since I shoot in RAW, I like the notion that I can white balance one image and then sync that change (or any other global change) across all the other images shot in the same circumstances.

I still know a few Photographers that grew up learning Photoshop and it's their go-to tool for everything. I would say that DPP is vastly easier to learn to use than Photoshop... but people still use Photoshop. I know one photographer who confessed to me that she spends about 40+ minutes on average editing each image in Photoshop. I told her she REALLY needed to go download the free trial of Lightroom. It's not that Photoshop isn't useful ... but I only use Photoshop for things that Aperture or Lightroom cannot do. If it can be done in Aperture or Lightroom... the workflow will be much faster.

Re: Digital Photo Professional

ebiggs1 — Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:59:07 GMT

Tim,

" They claim that if they use DPP to convert a RAW that the resulting JPEG looks better than a JPEG converted by Adobe..."

I have heard this, too. One of my retired buddies from Hallmark uses DPP exclusively. And I continue try it. But we have differing opinions here, I guess.

"This somewhat makes sense given that Canon wrote the converter that lives inside your camera so they have the ability to use the same algorithm for the one in DPP."

This is true but they aren't software engineers. I think that is the rub. Adobe is. Add the fact, the resulting product from either is a subjective opinion as to which produces the best jpg, and there you are. I probably hear 10 to 1 in favor of Adobe's output to DPP.

The one fact of either's workflow is reason enough to use LR. And, yes, you can spend enormous amounts of time doing editing in PS as it is a single photo based concept. But LR can do 5 or 5000 photos as easily as a few clicks. I suspose there is always going to be folks that prefer DPP and that is fine, it is just not for me.

BTW, it seems Canon has a bad habit of making their older cameras osolete by not including them in there so-called updates.

LR 5.7 and PS6 and ACR 8, so far, work with every camera I still own. From the original granddaddy 1D to my 1D Mk IV. Not only DPP but EOS Utility drops support for older cameras.

Whatever floats your boat.