topic Canon 80D or R100? in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Canon 80D or R100?

komepne1 — Wed, 06 Nov 2024 13:44:06 GMT

I'm someone who already knows how to take good photos and worked with photography before, i'm interested in buying cameras again, at the moment i dont own any lenses, so i'll start from scratch.

my options are an 80D (used, with a 24mm) and a R100 brand new for the same price.

I'm not considering the R50 due to the weird hotshoe, and i cant afford the jump to R10

I can also find some very old fullframe dslr, but i'm not sure if i should go this route because of L lenses, but i can consider getting an 5D mark III + 28-135mm, i never used this specific lens, idk how it compares to the 18-135mm

Can someone share your thoughts?

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Tronhard — Wed, 06 Nov 2024 18:10:53 GMT

Hi and welcome to the forum:
It is very difficult for us to know what to recommend without the following information:
1. What is your $budget?
2. What kinds of subjects you shoot
3. What conditions you work with - dim light, outdoors etc. make a big difference to the gear

What is it about the R50 that you consider weird?

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

ebiggs1 — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:30:31 GMT

"...so i'll start from scratch."

None of the above post matters. The only thing that does matter is "...i'll start from scratch.". Starting off you need to go R series whichever one you can afford it is the future and since you have nothing to bring along always go with current tech.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Tronhard — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:51:22 GMT

With respect Ernie, what I asked DOES matter. We cannot provide suggestions for a budget that does not exist, and the more we know about what the OP wants to do the better we can focus on the right gear for them.

Certainly, I would recommend an R-series camera, but which one and what optics depends on the factors I outlined.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

kvbarkley — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:59:10 GMT

"Canon Multi-function accessory shoe •Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter required for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories"

If the OP does not have lenses, I assume he does not have flashes, so I don't know why it matters.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Tronhard — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 17:27:26 GMT

Hi Keith:
That was what perplexed me... With no legacy gear to deal with, it appears we are starting off with a clean sheet, which is a big advantage.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

shadowsports — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 18:37:16 GMT

@komepne1,

Please if nothing more save your penny's and buy the R50 or R10. I recommend against buying the R100.

The R50 is only a bit little more and is very much worth the additional cost.

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-R100-vs-Canon-EOS-R50

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

kvbarkley — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 18:42:01 GMT

His problem with the R50 is not the cost, but the Multi-Function Accessory Hot Shoe.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Tronhard — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 19:01:49 GMT

I think the consensus is that the way to go is to get an R-series body.

While I understand the OP's reservation about the hot shoe, since they don't (apparently) have a flash, unless they are going to spend a considerable time taking photos with a flash - in which case the features in the new units will be a benefit - then the much better functionality of the other R-series bodies is likely to be of far greater benefit. I don't see why that should outweigh the fact that the R100 is extremely limited: an old sensor from the EOS M series, less effective processor, less focusing and tracking, no flip screen, and very limited control options, and cheapest build compared to the others.

For a comparison of the three APS-C cameras see this:

Of course, a ILC does not function without a lens, and it is important to consider that as an investment, good glass will arguably have a greater impact on image quality and represents the longer-term investment. Here, some guidance is necessary: hence my questions about budget, subjects and conditions.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

LeeP — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:14:00 GMT

I bought an R100 as an additional body because it is so inexpensive that why not. Granted the camera is very basic, but it is not a bad camera. In fact it is rather remarkable as a versatile body. I've had it in heavy rotation for over a year and I only grow more convinced that I made a good decision. I would ABSOLUTELY go with a new R100 over a used camera. You will not regret it and when you're ready to move up to an R8 or something, you'll have an excellent, small, go-everywhere camera that takes RF lenses. Buy with confidence.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

LeeP — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:17:03 GMT

Have you actually used an R100 or are you just judging it from a "the camera makes the photographer" POV?

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

LeeP — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:22:42 GMT

The R100 is not "extremely limited" if the photographer is competent, but people may call it limited if (1) they are on the outside looking in having never used an R100 and/or (2) they believe that the camera "makes" the photographer. I bought an R100 as a backup body, but the more I use it the more I appreciate its basic-ness. It is very competent because I know what I am doing. I shoot with a wide range of cameras (film--35mm and medium format--and digital) and have done so professionally for 45 years.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

TomRamsey — Fri, 08 Nov 2024 20:51:25 GMT

I nearly always recommend buying the newest technology that you can afford. And i think the especially is true here, since Canon's future is the R system.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

shadowsports — Sat, 09 Nov 2024 03:47:35 GMT

I'm fine letting others choose. I provided a side by side comparison and good justification for choosing the R50 over the R100. The specs speak for themselves. As a second body for a "competent" photographer, ok. As a primary body, I'm not sure. But what I might do doesn't matter here. Please buy the camera you want, what's within your budget and what works for you. 🙂

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Ron888 — Sat, 09 Nov 2024 06:46:54 GMT

To me the biggest feature the R100 has over D80 is very good eye focus tracking.I changed to the R system just for that.If you dont need it,the 80D -even though it's older- has a bunch of other features you may prefer.
The other thing is the R lenses.They really are good! Are you sure you want to avoid those (at least for now)?
Keep in mind there are now lots of very good EF lenses selling cheap so it's still cheaper to get good image quality with used EF lenses

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 Nov 2024 14:32:52 GMT

Go for the R50. The 5D3 is over a decade old, so pass on it. The available EF mount lens options is dwindling, so that is also a knock against the 80D. The RF lenses are next generation and perform like it.

The 80D body is closing in on a decade in age. But it does have a Dual Pizel AF sensor, something which the R100 lacks. The R100 is pretty much an M6 Mark II with an RF mount. The Dual Pixel AF sensor in the R50 is vastly superior to the R100 and even the 80D.

Re: Canon 80D or R100?

Tronhard — Sat, 09 Nov 2024 18:21:45 GMT

Lee:

I let the specs speak for themselves. This is not about us as individuals, our experience and skill in taking photos: it's about finding the best primary camera for someone else. While having a 'basic' camera as a second unit may appeal to you, how likely is that to work for someone else who is looking for a single-camera solution? So, may I suggest that you put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself what you would choose after really focusing on what they are saying their situation is? From reading their post, considering a 5DIII does not, to me, suggest they are inclined towards something that is as basic as one can get. The 80D is also not in that category - I still retain one today and occasionally shoot with it still. I don't recommend a camera purely because I use it, or that it fits my own photographic philosophy.

You are drawing a long bow with your numbered statements about opinions on the R100 and, since you address that post to me, I reject that I fall into either category. I have over 40 years of professional work as a photographer and teaching photography. I have consistently said that a camera does not, it itself, make one a better photographer. However, that does not mean I would go out of my way to promote the cheapest, most limited and basic camera I can find to someone getting back into photography. I have personally tested the R100 against other cameras and, from my own experience, found it seriously lacking in features and performance for a single camera solution if one can afford better - the comparison video I posted clearly shows the difference between them.

Far more significant considerations than what we shoot with are:
1. What the budget is - that defines our range of choices
2. What subjects they shoot, and under what conditions.
3. What they will produce
4. Any constraints or preferences about the interface, or physical weight