topic Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

karchner14 — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:45:44 GMT

With all the talk of record limits due to overheating, not many people are talking about the fact that this camera still has the antiquated 29:59 EU record time limit. I believe Canon needs to remove this.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

wq9nsc — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:02:16 GMT

Some of the impetus for mirrorless is because so many people want camcorders and mirrorless grew out of the video camera experience. Even with the move to mirrorless, these R series are still biased more towards a "still" photo camera with the ability to do some video work. If you need long video segments, you are crossing the line over to where you really need a camcorder with its active cooling system instead of a stills camera which is biased towards at least some level of weather resistance which isn't a good setup for rejecting internal heat to the outside environment.

A constantly active sensor, A/D converter, processor, and storage media are all creating a lot of heat and trying to go beyond 30 minutes puts an already seriously undersized cooling setup into the unworkable zone. The Canon 1 series have the best setup in the stills segment for cooling with a large body that dumps a lot of heat into the battery compartment where it can be more readily rejected but even these bodies aren't up to extended high bit rate shooting in high ambient temperature. Canon has warnings in the 1DX III manual that even the high speed memory card can become painfully hot to touch after an extended high bit rate video session and this shows that these components are being run at an unusually high temperature due to the inability to shed heat within a largely sealed body. This is where forced air cooled video oriented cameras are needed. I have three 1DX series bodies but rarely use them for anything more than a very short video "snippet". If I am shooting extensive video, I also carry my XF-400 and if I was planning to do cinema level video it would be with a C series body but the XF-400 with its integrated lens is perfect for sports.

Rodger

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Waddizzle — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:24:36 GMT

I do not think anyone is going around holding a vlogging camera at arm's length for 30 minutes. If you're making video content that is in excess of 20-30 minutes in a studio environment, then you need a camera that puts out clean HDMI and an external recording device. Something like a Blackmagic ATEM switcher would be useful, too.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

shadowsports — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:33:26 GMT

@karchner14 wrote:
.....antiquated 29:59 EU record time limit. I believe Canon needs to remove this.

Greetings,

The "29:59 EU recording time limit" is something I have learned to accept as an "Ain't going to change in my lifetime" fact. So as others mentioned... I also suggest you start planning your next purchase (a camcorder) which is capable of such feats.

To maximize what recording time (and recovery) you do get with the R5, I suggest you update its FW to 1.1

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/mirrorless/eos-r5?subtab=downloads-firmware

While the recovery algorithims were improved, there are no improvements in recording times in the higher quality video modes. To be fair though its certainly better that the shipping FW.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:01:50 GMT

@karchner14 wrote:
With all the talk of record limits due to overheating, not many people are talking about the fact that this camera still has the antiquated 29:59 EU record time limit. I believe Canon needs to remove this.

It's not an antiquated time limit, its a legal/tax issue.

The tax on video recording devices ranges from about 5% up to 12% from what I have found on line; I don't know what affects the range.

While this only impacts imports to the EU it seems that camera companies have not decided to create special versions for that market. I'm not even sure there would be a way given the grey market trade.

I do not think the majority of DSLR users should be impacted with that tax for a limited number of users.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Hipplewm — Wed, 09 Dec 2020 19:10:32 GMT

You would be correct if it were before 2018

The World Trade Oraganization in 2018 did some trickery and the law no longer applies to Cameras - so there is no additional tax - that is why so many cameras now don't have the limit and their price didn't go up. Camera companies are updating firmware to remove it etc...

EXCEPT Canon 😞

Before you go all google on me - I believe the tax may have gone thru portions if not all of 2019, but it was wholly rescinded mostly in 2016, became a thing in 2018 and went away some time after that. Point stands it doesn't exist today

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Waddizzle — Wed, 09 Dec 2020 19:33:44 GMT

@Hipplewm wrote:
You would be correct if it were before 2018

The World Trade Oraganization in 2018 did some trickery and the law no longer applies to Cameras - so there is no additional tax - that is why so many cameras now don't have the limit and their price didn't go up. Camera companies are updating firmware to remove it etc...

EXCEPT Canon 😞

Before you go all google on me - I believe the tax may have gone thru portions if not all of 2019, but it was wholly rescinded mostly in 2016, became a thing in 2018 and went away some time after that. Point stands it doesn't exist today

That's false. Nearly every camera sold still has the 30 minute time limit. However, as you have pointed out, companies release a firmware update for users to install on some cameras that remove it....after the camera has been purchased.

BTW, you can record for almost as long as you wish to an external recorder on Canon bodies with "clean HDMI" output.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

jimre — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:57:59 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
I do not think anyone is going around holding a vlogging camera at arm's length for 30 minutes.

Dude, they make these things called TRIPODS for this.

@Waddizzle wrote:
If you're making video content that is in excess of 20-30 minutes in a studio environment, then you need a camera that puts out clean HDMI and an external recording device. Something like a Blackmagic ATEM switcher would be useful, too.

Well, we're not all making our content in a studio. External HDMI recorder & switcher is just a BIT overkill for recording my child's 60-min band concert.

Are you seriously trying to argue that we don't NEED recording time longer than 29:59?

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Waddizzle — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:08:21 GMT

@jimre wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
I do not think anyone is going around holding a vlogging camera at arm's length for 30 minutes.
Dude, they make these things called TRIPODS for this.

@Waddizzle wrote:
If you're making video content that is in excess of 20-30 minutes in a studio environment, then you need a camera that puts out clean HDMI and an external recording device. Something like a Blackmagic ATEM switcher would be useful, too.
Well, we're not all making our content in a studio. External HDMI recorder & switcher is just a BIT overkill for recording my child's 60-min band concert.

Are you seriously trying to argue that we don't NEED recording time longer than 29:59?

Buy a camcorder.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

jimre — Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:12:43 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:

Buy a camcorder.

Wow, I guess you really ARE arguing that we are all IDIOTS to want > 30 min record time. Thanks for clarifying your position.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Waddizzle — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:25:15 GMT

@jimre wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
Buy a camcorder.
Wow, I guess you really ARE arguing that we are all IDIOTS to want > 30 min record time. Thanks for clarifying your position.

I fail to see the point of making a big over the 30 minute time limits, which have been around for years.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Hipplewm — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:38:25 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
I fail to see the point of making a big over the 30 minute time limits, which have been around for years.

You also failed to notice times change - The 30 min thing was around from eons ago (In terms of Moore's law)

MANY (Notice I didn't say "All" or "MOST") You tubers hold a full mirrorless full frame camera all day while filming - some use a ronin or other gimbal, so just grab the camera.

Just like when I said "Many New Cameras ship without the 30 min timer" and you took me as saying MOST

How many of the current high end Sony Cameras ship with the 30 min time limit?

I am not sure if English isn't your first language or what, but at the end of the day - the LAW requiring the 30 min limit no longer exists - people want the feature - an official spokesperson from Canon said it was "Easy" to modify in a firmware update

All that said - People who bought the camera want it (Notice, again I didn't say "Most" or "ALL")

My Camera artrived yesterday and you can count me as one who wants the time limit removed

I dunno, maybe you sit in a room with your betamax and long for the old days - but the rest of us want the technology to leap forward

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Waddizzle — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:22:20 GMT

@Hipplewm wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
I fail to see the point of making a big over the 30 minute time limits, which have been around for years.
You also failed to notice times change - The 30 min thing was around from eons ago (In terms of Moore's law)

MANY (Notice I didn't say "All" or "MOST") You tubers hold a full mirrorless full frame camera all day while filming - some use a ronin or other gimbal, so just grab the camera.
Just like when I said "Many New Cameras ship without the 30 min timer" and you took me as saying MOST
How many of the current high end Sony Cameras ship with the 30 min time limit?

I am not sure if English isn't your first language or what, but at the end of the day - the LAW requiring the 30 min limit no longer exists - people want the feature - an official spokesperson from Canon said it was "Easy" to modify in a firmware update
All that said - People who bought the camera want it (Notice, again I didn't say "Most" or "ALL")
My Camera artrived yesterday and you can count me as one who wants the time limit removed

I dunno, maybe you sit in a room with your betamax and long for the old days - but the rest of us want the technology to leap forward

The law has nothing to do with it. People knowingly by a car with vinyl seats, and then make a big fuss because they cannot get a free upgrade to leather seats. You should have bought the leather seats from the start, IMHO.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Hipplewm — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:22:13 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
The law has nothing to do with it. People knowingly by a car with vinyl seats, and then make a big fuss because they cannot get a free upgrade to leather seats. You should have bought the leather seats from the start, IMHO.

I bought the camera KNOWING the time limit is there, but also knowing the official Canon represenative said that it can be removed easily - The law also doesn't mandate that it stays

In the end, if it never gets removed - I am still happy with my purchase - but I still want it removed.

I like how you keep changing your arguement ever time someone blows holes in your previous arguement - I am kinda waiting for you to circle back and say it is against the law again.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Waddizzle — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:47:17 GMT

@Hipplewm wrote:
I like how you keep changing your arguement ever time someone blows holes in your previous arguement - I am kinda waiting for you to circle back and say it is against the law again.

I am not the one who posted the EU law is the reason why the 30 minute limit exists.

Have a nice day. Enjoy your camera.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

shawnphoto — Sun, 13 Dec 2020 08:07:20 GMT

They absolutely should get rid of this time limit just because it dumber than a box of rocks. The camera costs $3,899 it should record for more than 30 minutes at a time for the love of god.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

NoTicket — Thu, 06 Jan 2022 19:20:45 GMT

I really hope Canon doesn't listen to you.

Sony has removed recording limits on every camera that competes with the R5. Stop defending a limit that could be removed in a single line of code and telling people to go buy camcorders. There is no benefit to anybody to continue to argue that recording limits shouldn't be removed.

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

Cinemattic_Matt — Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:09:04 GMT

Few years on, and this is still an issue. I multiple cameras and find it frustrating that I cannot record over 30 mins on my 2 R5's.

If its an overheating issue - make it so you can film longer on the lower settings (I.E maybe not recoding longer that 30 mins for 4k 120fps, but make it accessible for 4k24/25/30. It surely should be able to handle that!? If not certainly just filming in HD.)

It's a legal/tax thing. - I am not buying this, how can a >$4000 camera have this limit but something like a $300 10 year old GoPro can get around it?

Is there a solution in what the GoPro does? It films in 10 min sections and automatically continues recording starting a new clip. Personally I would be fine with that, if at 29 mins, 59 seconds, it automatically starts recording a new clip without the need to manually start the next.

As a hybrid wedding photographer and videographer, filming some ceremonies are just over 30mins. My fellow wedding photography friends are all baffled that my r5's and r6's won't record over the 30 min limit. And they see this as one of the key reasons that they have a bag full of sony gear.

@canon, can you please sort this?

Re: EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

shawnphoto — Sun, 15 Sep 2024 18:46:22 GMT

Yes, it should do it, but it doesn't and probably won't. Anyway, it won't do it much longer than that anyway because it will overheat. Those CFExpress cards do get really hot, in fact, hot enough to burn skin.