topic Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Far-Out-Dude — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:58:58 GMT

My questions are these, how much more and why would the R5 Mark ii work better for wildlife photography than the original version?

Second question, I can manage to get the R5 Mark ii but would not be able to afford an RF lens for now, I am looking to get the Canon 2972C002 lens adapter so I can use the EF lenses I have (Mainly the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM Lens will be used for wildlife and moons shots) Are there any problems I need to know of when using this adapter? I already use one to use my EF lenses on my Canon M50 that is an EF-M mount but everything is different so I thought I should ask.

Looking forward to the difference in image quality,

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 05:44:11 GMT

Well... although the R5II has been announced, as far as I understand it, the firmware is not fully confirmed yet - apparently it's v0.05 which is not a full release, and there is a very limited constituency of people who have access to the hardware.
Consequently, I would hold your enthusiasm and questions until full production versions are available.
Given that the EF100-400 L MkII lenses have worked flawlessly with the R5, I see no reason why they would not work equally with the new version. It would not be in Canon's interests, or that of their market to let that compatibility lapse.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:16:55 GMT

The R5 MkII manual was recently published and can probably offer some some value as you weigh your decision on the two versions of the R5 body.

Removed link - not public information

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:47:18 GMT

Stephan, I'm unclear why the link was removed as it a public website that I linked to for the manual?

Clarity would be appreciated.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Far-Out-Dude — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:49:59 GMT

Thank you both for the reply, guess I will just have to wait longer. The R1 looks interesting feature-wise, just completely uncomfortable to hold with that bottom part the way it is.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:54:29 GMT

Sorry the link to the manual got removed, I hope you had the chance to grab it.

I'm a bit confused why it was deleted.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Stephen — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:57:48 GMT

It hasn't been made public yet. It's only available if you have the direct link. We didn't even know about it until you posted it.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:00:00 GMT

The HTML version is also live, can I post a link to that manual. Being able to access them kind of makes them public. If I could find them anyone can with a google search.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Stephen — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:15:07 GMT

No, you cannot link to any form of the manual until they are live on the Canon USA site.

While they may be searchable by Google, they are not listed on the Canon USA site or the cam.start.canon site. You have to have a direct link, which makes them unofficial.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:57:15 GMT

To look at your question specifically, noting that at this stage no-one that I know has a full production model yet.
The R5II two has features that may benefit a wildlife photographer through its bus: It has a stacked/BSI sensor that is going to grab focus extremely quickly, provide enhanced tracking and reduce rolling shutter effect to support faster shutter speeds and frame rates under more challenging light conditions with better dynamic range.

The processor is faster and has a significant boost from the extra attached processor, the buffer is likely larger and there is the capacity to send RAW image to the CF Express card. Assuming this is all in balance (i.e. no bottlenecks in data flow) it means that one can gain focus, shoot with more accuracy and rip off a lot of high-resolution images with a much higher success rate than before. Wonderful, as long as you are prepared to spend hours sifting through a huge number of almost identical images in PP...

I would be curious to see if the ability to prioritize a series of individuals, which is touted for human social events, such as weddings, would be made to work to isolate, say, a predatory animal group or individual hunting in a herd situation such as a pride of lions or even an orca pod. That would be interesting...

The question is whether the demands of the specific types of photography one is engaged upon are such that the R5II presents enough real and specific benefits to make it a valid value proposition, or could one get more value by getting the R5 and spending the money on an RF optic, such as the RF 200-800?

Finally, considering some discussion has been made of the relative merits of the R1 in this context, I submit my updated article The Argument for Two Flagships.docx for consideration.

As to lenses: I would expect that, as long as you use the Canon EF-RF adapters , you should have no issue with using your excellent EF 100-400LII with any of the R-series of cameras. I have already posted sample images of that lens with the EOS R6, which has the same tracking system as the R5:
Legacy Lenses with the EOS R6 MkI: EF 100-400L MkI... - Canon Community

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:36:04 GMT

No manual will be accurate until Canon confirm the content and thus performance of the firmware, which, as far as I understand was still not in its final production phase at time of the release announcement. Nothing official will be published by Canon until that, at least is sorted.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:05:04 GMT

Trevor, while I respect your thoughts and feedback on the firmware this is speculation. The fact is both the HTML and PDF versions have been published by a division of Canon, I would venture to say that is official. It would be difficult to believe that this would be done without the content being accurate and final.

I have blacked out the URL based on Stephen's feedback on site policy.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:10:24 GMT

The main thing is that it comes from an official Canon site and is still there. If it has been posted and withdrawn that would be a different issue - it would suggest that someone jumped the gun and Canon don't want the info in the public arena because either they are not sure of some technical issue, or it has not been signed off by an authority - and there is history of that pre-emptively happening before to several camera vendors.

It's a moving feast and I would not be surprised if they had hopes of having that firmware for the release a week ago when it drew comment from some reviewers - let's face it, they want to get that stuff on the market as soon as possible, so these things can move very rapidly.

That's not problem from my perspective, and it falls in line with my assertion that Canon would release official documentation about their products when they are confident of their firmware.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:39:20 GMT

Both versions, html and PDF continue to be available.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:38:39 GMT

Marc, that's great. 🙂

I had a look and have found a link to the 5DII Advanced User Guide, which looks like we got it overnight here. At the moment I can see it only as an HTML and not a PDF. Nevertheless, I shall study it with interest.

I hope you learn what you need to make your decision.

I do know the price here - it's $7,300!🙄

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:40:57 GMT

I had the opportunity to use both the R1 and the R5 this past Saturday for an extended time at a local retailer. He also had the 200-800mm that I tried to talk him out of but failed.

After some time with the R5 MII in hand I believe overall it may be a decent upgrade but I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade from my current R5, it provides me with everything I need at the moment. The larger question for me, does it offer enough value to cost almost $1200 more then the current R5?

After my experience with the pre-order on the 200-800mm and enjoying the R5 I'm going to follow the wisdom of a smart gentlemen I know....

a) I am still deciding if the technical innovations that are on offer are seriously going to improve my performance in the types of photography I do, and thus have value to me.
b) I never pre-order anything, and that has shown to be a wise move, given the challenges and frustrations of those who have waited a long time for their pre-ordered RF lenses (I might add this is also true for Fuji and Nikon, but on-one seems to make such a fuss about that, likely because Canon is the bigger player).
c) I prefer to let the dust settle and so will the prices

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:37:50 GMT

Just to confirm, Marc - no disrespect was ever intended towards you. My previous post was in the context of your interchange with Moderator Stephen, particularly his comment "While they may be searchable by Google, they are not listed on the Canon USA site or the cam.start.canon site. You have to have a direct link, which makes them unofficial. " And you response about it having been posted and thus official. In which case I was simply stating what I understand is normal Release Management practise for documentation - I made no judgement against your efforts. 😬
I am hoping a PDF version comes out very soon (by the time I finishing typing this, just to confound me, it probably will) as I like to keep a copy on my devices for easy reference.

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:41:49 GMT

Ha! 😁

Yep, since I own an R5, 2xR6 and 1xR6II, I can hardly justify that kind of investment. I don't do event photography, like weddings, so I don't need (although LIKE) the ability to select specific subjects as priorities for focus and tracking. Likely, a lot of these features will, in their own good time, trickle down to the R6 series, and by then I might be interested.
I have to replace a pair of hearing aids and they will cost me $6k. Life gets in the way of photography: it's tragic... 😕

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

March411 — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:52:53 GMT

Absolutely none taken Trevor, people can disagree, have a different perspective or position on a given topic without malice for another person. While I respect Stephen I disagree with his position on this topic, there have been other topics where he and I align perfectly. He always steps forward to assist people with unique challenges when it comes to repairs. He brings a lot of value to the Canon consumer.

The art of meaningful conversation has to some regard been lost. It is not an all or nothing proposition! You can disagree on perspective/position in a conversation as long as it remains ethical/moral and continue to respect that person while maintaining them as a friend. The banter, well it's a little like playing chess. 😉

Re: Difference between old and new R5 for wildlife and using an adapter

Tronhard — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:34:34 GMT

Interestingly enough, my search did take me to the cam.start.canon site, but the link worked very briefly and then died. Thereafter non activity. So, I guess we are in waiting mode.
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