topic Re: Canon EOS R successor in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

EOS R successor

juiH — Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:20:36 GMT

Dear Sir,

would it be possible to consider the creation of a 30+ megapixel EOS R mirrorless camera to succeed and replace the 30.4 megapixel EOS R.

i have tried the EOS R5 several times and considered purchasing it however it has a micro HDMI port instead of the mini HDMI port of the EOS R, and there was significant bad press about overheating during video mode.

Canon currently has the 45 megapixel EOS R5, the 24 megapixel R3 and R6 Mark ii, the 26 megapixel RP, and the 20 megapixel R6. it seems as if there is a gap in the lineup in terms of a moderate, i.e. 30+ megapixel camera.

Could Canon consider using a similar design language as the R5 and the R in terms of top LCD display and no control or PASM dial? whether or not there is a joystick or a scroll wheel is not quite so important though probably desirable.

i currently own a 5D Mark iv and an EOS R as well as a 5D Mark ii and two f2.8 RF zooms (15-35mm and 24-70mm) and an f4.0 RF zoom (10-20mm), as well as a Canon C70 for video.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

juiH — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 12:29:51 GMT

i have been doing Adobe Lightroom Photo Merges and i find that the 30.4 megapixels of the EOS R and 5D Mark iv are an optimum resolution.

i have merged between 24 and 50 individual images and in one case 70 images and find that if the resolution is too high, e.g. with my 36.3 megapixel Nikon D810, the merges are often unsuccessful.

for individual photographs, i believe that the 24 megapixels of the other EOS R cameras (R3, R6 Mark ii & R8) might be too low as i print up to 20" x 30" and for my photo merges up to 24" x 36"

Re: Canon EOS R successor

Waddizzle — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 12:49:12 GMT

What version of Ps,Lr are you using? Are you creating panoramic images or focus stacks?

Your conclusions about the significance of file size and resolution are inconclusive and incorrect. I use Adobe to merge files from cameras ranging from the 1D4 to the 6D2. I have yet to try to merge images with a 50MP 5Dsr. But, I do not expect any issues.

If your merges are failing, then it has little to nothing to do with resolution of the original images. Your merges are failing for other reasons.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

Waddizzle — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 12:54:03 GMT

I believe both the EOS R and RP will not have upgraded re-releases. Canon has released far too many new R-Series bodies to hold out hope for that expectation.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

juiH — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 19:44:50 GMT

i found that with my Nikon D810 (36.3 mp), i was able to photo merge in general about 34 images successfully. i did multiple photo merges and that was the median maximum number of images.

with my Fujifilm X-T4 and X-Pro 2, a 26 megapixel and 24 megapixel camera respectively, it was as if i had unlimited photo merges but for my two 30.4 megapixel Canons, i did reach a ceiling somewhere.

in that sense i suspect that a 45 megapixel camera such as my D850 or an EOS R5 or even a Nikon Z8 or Z9 (or a 47 megapixel Leica SL2) might have issues with multiple photo merge images.

on the other hand, i noticed that when i used my 5D Mark ii (22.1 megapixels) to print my 20" x 30" images from a commercial printer, and indeed my 30.4 megapixel Canons, i felt as if the images could be slightly sharper as compared to my D810 images.

in other words, i would by preference stay clear of a 24 megapixel and probably 26 megapixel full-frame sensor and choose something at 30 megapixels or above though those would probably be suitable for APS-C.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

Uneternal — Fri, 29 Dec 2023 03:49:58 GMT

The earliest we'll see something would be 2025. Currently Canon covered everything from entry level (EOS R8) to midrange (R6II) and high-end (R5, R3), with a successor to the R5 coming soon. I'm not sure if Canon gives a sh** about Sony but I think it would be a good idea to have a midrange model that can rival Sony A7IV's resolution. Even if 30MP is not that much more than 24MP, I always thought it's a sweet spot between ultra-high res and mediocre 24MP. If the EOS R6II was 30MP it would have been the perfect camera for me.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

juiH — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 02:20:09 GMT

i was at the local Canon Customer Care Centre to bring my 5D Mark iv in for a part replacement and amongst other things that i was told by the technician, i was told that the new Canon R5 Mark ii would likely not be sold alongside the current Canon R5 Mark i which they would likely discountinue manufacturing. secondly, i was told that it might not be likely for a 30+ megapixel Canon EOS R successor as a 30+ megapixel sensor might not be suitable for 8K video capture which is becoming commonplace. i do hope that Canon can reconsider this as 30+ megapixels seems to be the optimum for me and there is currently a gap in the resolution choices of EOS R cameras from (previously 20), 24, 26 and 45 megapixels. Sony's A7C and A7C Mark ii fill this gap in their lineup however i prefer Canon colours and ergonomics. if that is the case, there might be an even greater megapixel gap should the EOS R5 be discontinued.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

Uneternal — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 08:59:26 GMT

Customer center employees don't know what's happening in Japan behind the scenes. I don't think the R5 will be discontinued that quickly. As you know, the original EOS R and also the RP are still being sold, as well as the EOS R6 although it already has a successor. But you're right, there's nothing to fill the gap between 24 and 45 megapixels and not everybody cares about 8K video.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

shadowsports — Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:49:02 GMT

I was hoping for a 33-36MP 5D mkV (which never happened of course). I'd do fine with that. At the time all I wanted was 4K 60. I do agree a 35MP 4k camera would sell.

I was coming from a 6D2. I was never impressed (enough) with the R or RP. R - The touch bar, 4k crop and battery life. The RP was too small and lacked a top body LCD which I prefer. I never gave either a chance. Instead, we got the R6 and R5, prompting me to wait further.

All of these cameras went on and did very well. I'm happy I waited for the R5 C. Its not perfect either, no camera is. I don't think we will see a mid 30's MP sensor for reasons already mentioned. 24, 45 or larger (and 8k) seems to be what we'll get.

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Re: Canon EOS R successor

Waddizzle — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 15:39:00 GMT

The 5Ds and 5Dsr had 1.6x and 1.3x crop modes. The R5 does not have a 1.3x crop mode.

It would have been nice to have included it in the R5. Maybe they still can. Sony frame rates have been abysmal. They are probably great camera bodies for news journalists, but not for any type of action photography.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

juiH — Thu, 18 Jan 2024 02:42:06 GMT

i was wondering about the Canon EOS R1 as there are rumors about its imminent release. the R3 is 24 megapixels and the current R5 is 45 megapixels. if the R1 were to focus on speed and high frame rate like most of the 1 series cameras, then would it not be possible that it may have a resolution higher than the 24 megapixels of the R3 to differentiate it but lower than the 45 megapixels of the current R5. in other words, Canon may already have developed a sensor suitable in megapixel count for the EOS R successor

Re: Canon EOS R successor

Ken_Nielsen — Sun, 16 Jun 2024 16:45:35 GMT

I also would like to see a second generation EOS R. Just beef it up where AF technology allows and very conservatively keep it what it is, a truly wonderful camera.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

juiH — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:38:42 GMT

i guess i was wrong about the 30 megapixel sensor of the EOS R1 but i do hope that they will still produce a mid range 30 or 30+ megapixel EOS R camera with 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 video and preferably CLOG 2 and 3 and a better EVF

Re: Canon EOS R successor

shadowsports — Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:42:51 GMT

The R52 might be a great option for you. Full size HDMI, CLOG2... Checks your boxes and adds slightly more resolution. You might not need all of them, but they are nice to have.

Re: Canon EOS R successor

juiH — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:11:30 GMT

Dear Shadowsports,

i purchased a second hand EOS R5 with very low shutter count, i.e. 4000 or below, and took comparison photographs indoors under identical lighting and with the same lens and found that under artificial lighting ( it was in a well lit school library ), the EOS R5 does not perform any better that the EOS R both in terms of colour output and in terms of resolution and detail. the R5 output had more noise. both cameras were set to iso 400 and the lens used was the RF 15-35mm f2.8L IS U. both cameras were also colour profiled with an X-Rite ColorChecker Digital SG. i have not made comparison shots outdoors where there would be higher light levels and where it would be the full spectrum of wavelengths from the sun but based on the indoor shots, i still think that there is a need for a 30 or 30+ megapixel EOS R camera with better autofocus and 4K 4:2:2 uncropped video with CLog as a successor to the EOS R as the 24 megapixel options may not deliver the resolution in many cases

before purchasing the EOS R5, i had considered my other options as i wanted more detail in my library images which were used for a 12" x 8" wedding album style photo book. i had considered my options and invested in a Fujifilm GFX 50Sii and GF 20-35mm f4.0 but though the sensor produced more details the colour science was not to my liking even when i unsuccessfully colour profiled it with two different colour charts. i do much prefer Canon ( and Nikon ) colour science and really hope that there can be a new mid to high end EOS R with a resolution in between the current 24 megapixels and 45 megapixels

Jui Hsiang

Re: EOS R successor

shadowsports — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 00:13:57 GMT

Greetings,

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Re: Canon EOS R successor

Uneternal — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 00:39:42 GMT

I had the same findings with the R5, really not a big difference to the R in terms of noise. Tho, I like the R5 skin colors way more than those green-ish EOS R colors. IDK if Canon intended the R as a landscape camera or if it's some form of cripple-hammer, so people would still buy the 5D4. Well anyways, the R6 Mark III seems to be on the way for 2025. Let's wait if that one will get a 30 MP sensor. (Third gen devices usually are always great)