topic Re: R vs D series jpeg quality in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Sun, 05 May 2024 14:58:58 GMT

You might have found similar question from me around the internet aince Im going crazy over it..

Planning to go back to canon after leaving a 60D and trying other brands..

I shoot often auto mode and always jpg (please avoid lecturing me about raw).

Now after the 60D i found the new mirrorless Ive tried produce more soft/neutral/flat JPGs (probably because serious photographers will not use them anyway).

Now those of you who have upgraded from Canon D to Canon R.. do you HONESTLY feel you still get those pleasing punchy sooc jpgs from the mirrorless? Or should I go back to some late dslr (maybe t8i to keep it small).

I know I would miss the latest features but this quest is about finding the loved older jpg quality

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Stephen — Sun, 05 May 2024 15:10:41 GMT

This sounds like your preferred Picture Style isn't being applied in the camera.

This article is specifically for the EOS R100, but the concept is the same regardless: Picture Style Selection

You can't choose your Picture Style in A+ Scene Intelligent Auto, but you can in P, TV, Av, and M.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Sun, 05 May 2024 15:40:30 GMT

Thank you admin, but I don't think you read the question very carefully

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Stephen — Sun, 05 May 2024 15:52:18 GMT

Which part? The part where you said that the images you tried were "flat" in JPG, or that you typically shoot in Auto?

The A+ mode on our cameras has improved greatly in the 14 years since the EOS 60D was introduced, so your results will likely be different from those of any newer camera compared to the EOS 60D.

Shooting in A+ mode automatically selects the best Picture Style for the shooting scenario; therefore, you can't modify the Picture Style.

If you want to alter your images from the "default," you'll need to shoot in a non-automatic mode, which I indicated above.

That said, most people consider "P" an automatic mode, and the picture style is customizable.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

kvbarkley — Sun, 05 May 2024 15:58:18 GMT

Which RX did you try. Ken Rockwell - who also shoots only JPEGS hasn't noticed it.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

shadowsports — Sun, 05 May 2024 16:17:03 GMT

And here I thought he was trying to decide on a R series or D series camera. 🤣 (Initially anyway)

For vintage looking images, look at DxO Filmpack... right after you buy a new or refurb R series body 😉

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Sun, 05 May 2024 17:24:40 GMT

As you see I mentioned I tried other brands.

What I want to know now if the color science of new R canon has more in common with other mirrorless or with dslrs, from the jpeg prospective.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Sun, 05 May 2024 20:43:15 GMT

@shadowsports in fact I am deciding between D and R, as Im seeking the "D" look (without fussing with lightroom and raws).

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

johnrmoyer — Sun, 05 May 2024 21:28:12 GMT

@Chube wrote:
@shadowsports in fact I am deciding between D and R, as Im seeking the "D" look (without fussing with lightroom and raws).

I suggest shooting in Tv or Av mode and using the "Standard" picture style since it is advertised as making various Canon cameras have the same look.

When shooting JPEG only, there are several picture styles to choose from. If your EOS 60D used "Standard" as its default style, that might be the best choice to get a similar look on a newer camera.

https://global.canon/en/imaging/picturestyle/style/standard.html says "The “Standard” Picture Style is the default Picture Style setting for all present EOS DIGITAL lineups. Color uniformity is ensured, even if the model changes." So, it seems to me that would be the one to use if one wants the same look when changing camera models.

But now there is also "Auto" picture style and it is the default in newer cameras when using A mode. https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/infobank/picture-style/ "

Auto: introduced with the EOS 600D in 2011, this Picture Style uses the camera's Scene Detection system, which automatically analyses the shooting conditions, looking at parameters such as a subject's face, colour, brightness, movement, contrast and focus distance. This enables the system to generate a Picture Style specific to each scene by adjusting contrast, colour tone, sharpness and saturation. Generally, the Auto Picture Style adjusts the colours so they look vivid, especially blue skies, greenery and sunsets."

Most of the R series cameras can also develop raw images in the camera without loading them onto a computer so one could save the same raw image in camera with more than one picture style. Some of the R series cameras allow one to specify digital lens optimizer for JPEG images also.

It seems to me that the straight out of camera JPEGS have improved over the years.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Mon, 06 May 2024 13:05:26 GMT

Just in case someone else cares, I might have found a good answer to the original question

https://global.canon/en/imaging/picturestyle/qa/index.html#q4

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

kvbarkley — Mon, 06 May 2024 13:35:34 GMT

I don't think so. That is about applying picture styles to cameras that did not have them originally.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Mon, 06 May 2024 13:46:41 GMT

Mmm how would I apply them to cameras which don't have the feature?

The table explicitly refers to newer cameras and how to achieve the older look:
If you want to produce colors approximating those of earlier EOS DIGITAL cameras, use the table below to select the right Picture Style.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

johnrmoyer — Mon, 06 May 2024 14:29:48 GMT

@Chube wrote:
Mmm how would I apply them to cameras which don't have the feature?
The table explicitly refers to newer cameras and how to achieve the older look:
If you want to produce colors approximating those of earlier EOS DIGITAL cameras, use the table below to select the right Picture Style.

So far as I can guess, your 60D was not that old. Using the "Standard" picture style in a newer camera is likely to match the standard picture style in the 60D. Those very old cameras did not have the picture style feature.

According to https://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/9/0300004019/03/eos60d-im3-c-en.pdf page 51, Standard was the default style in the EOS 60D.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

kvbarkley — Mon, 06 May 2024 14:31:47 GMT

Those earlier EOS cameras did not have picture styles.

Read the text on the side of the chart:

To get the same effect in newer cameras you use the same picture style.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Mon, 06 May 2024 15:38:36 GMT

Yes that's the point, you use the new picture style on new cameras to get the same look you had in the old ones.

And they tell you how to do it: set to standard, lower contrast.. and so on

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

kvbarkley — Mon, 06 May 2024 16:22:06 GMT

But we are talking *old* cameras, the 60D does not belong in that list. You are moving the goalposts.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Chube — Mon, 06 May 2024 16:29:26 GMT

I don't think you are rading the table correctly;

1st column is "older cameras with no picture style" (from 1d to 60d)

from 3rd column -> : settings you need to achieve the look of the camera in column 1 with a new camera.

It seems pretty straightforward

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

Stephen — Mon, 06 May 2024 16:45:15 GMT

The first column doesn't mention the EOS 60D. It mentions the D60. Those are 2 different cameras. The EOS D60 came out in 2002. The EOS 60D came out in 2010.

The 60D supports the following PictureStyles natively:

The EOS D60 does NOT support ANY Picture Styles in-camera (natively), therefore you would have to apply the Picture Styles in software DPP to achieve the vibrant look. This is for the much older EOS D60, NOT the EOS 60D.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

deebatman316 — Mon, 06 May 2024 17:47:13 GMT

You appear to be confusing the EOS D60 (2002) With the EOS 60D (2010) these are 2 completely different cameras. Also the EOS D60 is INCOMPATIBLE with EF-S lenses those didn't appear until the release of the first Digital Rebel/ EOS 300D/ EOS Kiss Digital camera in 2003. Also the EOS D30 and EOS D60 are pre Digic cameras. The EOS 60D has a Digic processor. The EOS 10D brought the original Digic processor to EOS Digital cameras. The 10D just like the EOS D60 & EOS D30 are INCOMPATIBLE with later APS-C designed EF-S lenses they physically won't mount. Even though these cameras have an APS-C sized sensor in them.

Re: R vs D series jpeg quality

deebatman316 — Mon, 06 May 2024 17:53:30 GMT

The EOS D60 is in that chart not the EOS 60D there is an 8 year gap between when those cameras were released. Also the EOS D60 is INCOMPATIBLE with EF-S lenses those wouldn't be released until the release of the first Digital Rebel/ EOS Kiss Digital/ EOS 300D camera.