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Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

vcgaona — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:23:42 GMT

I had previously owned the t3i (since 2010/2011) and currently using the t8i (since 2020) but now looking to upgrade to mirrorless and not sure what would be best.

I am looking towards a full frame mirrorless body, I am currently using a Canon EFS 35mm, f 2.8 MACRO IS STM Lens with my t8i body, and my current type of work is capturing beauty behind the scenes photos and video, I need sharp image/video.I am currently struggling because I hate how my 4K Footage is cropped on top of the enhanced features. When it comes to editing I feel like I lose alot of the details and sharpness of my videos. All the images currently have to go through "denoise feature" on lightroom as well.

My work: https://www.instagram.com/thebeautycine

I would love to upgrade my body and lens to be able to get both wide and closeup shots, what do you recommend?

Current Gear

Body: T8i

Lens: Canon EF-S Macro 35mm f/2.8 IS STM, Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM and Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM Lens

Lighting: Aputure Amaran AL-F7 On Camera LED Video Light

Flash: Godox V1

Budget for Upgrade to Mirrorless Body & Lens: 4-5K

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

rs-eos — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:42:47 GMT

Note that while you can use EF-S lenses on Canon's R-series mirrorless cameras via an EF to RF adapter, when using such lenses on full frame R-series cameras, they'll go in to crop mode.

Can you provide a budget on what you'd be able to spend? Also, do you have any other lenses with your Rebel T8i?

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

deebatman316 — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:44:31 GMT

When you use Full Frame lenses on an APS-C R series cameras. You will have a reduction in megapixels. This is due to the lens projecting a smaller image circle. For instance the R5 is 45 megapixels in Full Frame mode. But in 1.6x (APS-C) mode it will only be 17 megapixels. Also what lenses do you currently own. EF & EF-S can be adapted to RF Mount cameras. The opposite is not true. Not all lenses support ALL features on the EOS R series especially older lenses. Only newer lenses support Dual Pixel AF. Older Micro Motor, AFD (Arc-Form Drive), Micro Motor USM & Ring Type USM lenses released prior to 2009 don't support it. ONLY newer Ring Type USM and Nano USM support Dual Pixel AF. STM zoom lenses also support it. What is your budget for a new camera or kit (lens + camera). Here are Canon's current APS-C options R100, R50, R10 & R7. For Full Frame R8, R6 Mark II, R5 & R8. I have listed them from entry level to advanced. What features do you need. The R7, R6 Mark II, R5 & R3 provide IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization). The EOS M is discontinued.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

shadowsports — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:01:38 GMT

Greetings,

The T8i is a is a nice little camera and very capable DSLR. Do you have a budget for your new camera and lenses?

Here's the situation when moving from APS-C to full frame. The image circle of an APS-C lens is smaller and not capable of utilizing the entire size of a full frame sensor. You can't use APS-C lenses on a full frame DSLR. You can however, adapt APS-C lenses to newer full frame mirrorless body's ( a benefit) 😀. Full frame mirrorless bodys have a special crop mode (1.6x) which allows you to use lenses with the smaller image circle. There are some things you need to consider.

Since the image the APS-C lens projects does not utilize the full size of the sensor, the images which are captured are a lower resolution that what the camera's full resolution is. Here are some examples:

Resolution of body 24MP full frame sensor, If used with an APS-C lens, 9.3MP images are captured

Resolution of body 45MP full frame sensor, If used with an APS-C lens, 17.5MP images are captured

This might be fine if you plan to produce lower resolution images for social media and a smart phone. If you require higher resolution images, then using an APS-C (EF-S or RF-S) lens with a full frame mirrorless body might not be a good option.

For makeup, studio and runway type work, I would use a full frame body. Better light gathering capability, wider field of view and better depth of field separation between subject and background. Canon has some great options and this is a great time of year to be buying a camera. Black Friday and Christmas deals, many of which have already started. We can make recommendations which can easily mimic your existing camera, but with all of the improvements offered in a modern mirrorless platform. Better AF, ISO performance, and other conveniences that will showcase your work in its best possible light. Speaking of lighting, I'd also like to know more about your lighting and flash requirements. Full frame body's don't have a built in flash like your T8i.

This will give you some things to think about. Once you provide answers to the above questions we can make some recommendations.

I'm also including an image of what the camera sensor "sees" when you use a APS-C lens on a full frame body.

Last piece of info to keep everything separate:

Lens designations:

DSLR:

EF - Lens intended for full frame

EF-S - Lens intended for APS-C

Mirrorless:

RF - Lens intended for full frame

RF-S - Lens intended for APS-C

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

deebatman316 — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:53:31 GMT

The EOS R7 also does not have a built-in flash like the rest of Canon's APS-C cameras. So flash requirements will follow full frame camera flash requirements.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

vcgaona — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:02:32 GMT

Hello Ricky,

Thank You for your response! 🙂

I also have a Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens but at 50mm I need a wider shot for full body shots when in tight spaces, I was looking into possibly investing in Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS, do you think this would be ideal?

I would ideally like to invest on one lens for now if I upgrade to a mirrorless body. Overall with body and lens I would like to save under 4-5K.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

deebatman316 — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:09:16 GMT

Are you primarily doing video work or stills. With video work you would use a wider lens. Such as 14-35mm F/4 or 15-35mm F/2.8 on Full Frame. Or 10-18mm on APS-C.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

vcgaona — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:12:48 GMT

Greeting Rick! 🙂

Thank You So Much for your informative response! My current budget would be to stay under 4-5K

What I am currently using for additional Lighting:

Video: Aputure Amaran AL-F7 On Camera LED Video Light Color Temperature 3200-9500K CRI/TLCI 95+ Led Panel Versatile On-Camera LED Light

Photo (Still Learning How to Use) Godox V1 Canon

Thank You for taking the time to help!

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

deebatman316 — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:20:15 GMT

The Godox V1 has an incompatibility with EOS R series cameras. In which High Speed Sync and E-TTL don't work.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

vcgaona — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:22:47 GMT

Hello Demetrius!

Thank You for taking the time to offer feedback and recommendations, my current gear includes:

Body: T8i

Lens: Canon EF-S Macro 35mm f/2.8 IS STM, Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM and Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM Lens

Lighting: Aputure Amaran AL-F7 On Camera LED Video Light

Flash: Godox V1

Budget for Upgrade to Mirrorless Body & Lens: 4-5K

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

deebatman316 — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 18:14:31 GMT

The Godox V1 has an incompatibility with EOS R series cameras. In which High Speed Sync and E-TTL don't work. There may be more incompatibles so rent a camera to check before buying the camera. Canon can't guarantee compatibly with 3rd party items. Full Frame bodies and the EOS R7 don't have a built-in flash.

EOS: Electro Optical System (What EOS stands for)
EF: Electronic Focus: lens mount ALL EOS DSLRs & Film SLRs use (original EOS Mount) (Red Circle Mounting Index, 12 o’clock position)
EF-S: A separate lens Mount designed for APS-C DSLRs NOT compatible and won’t mount to any Full Frame Digital, 35mm Film SLRs or APS-H DSLRs. Note this is a DSLR Crop Sensor ONLY Mount. (White Square Mounting Index, 1 o’clock position)
EF-M: Lens Mount for EOS-M series Mirrorless cameras. Incompatible with DSLRs or EOS Film SLRs. (White Circle Mounting Index, 11 o’clock position) (2012-2023, discontinued).
RF: Lens Mount for EOS R series Mirrorless cameras. Incompatible with EOS DSLRs or EOS Film SLRs. (Red Oval Mounting Index, 12 o’clock position)
RF-S: Lens is optimized for EOS R series APS-C cameras. Can be used on EOS R series Full Frame cameras but the image is cropped to the APS-C image circle. Note this is NOT a separate lens mount.
L: Canon's professional grade lenses only available in Full Frame lenses NO APS-C lenses.
DO: Diffractive Optics uses Fresnel lenses
I, II, III, IV, V: Some lenses have multiple revisions such as the EF 28-80 F/3.5-5.6 V USM (ONLY lens to have a Version V)
Ring Type USM: AF motor type. Provides fast focusing stands for Ultrasonic Motor. Ring Type USM is the original USM AF motor. Shaped like a ring inside the lens. Allows Full Time Manual Focus either Focus by Wire or mechanical.
Micro Motor USM: Cheaper and slower AF Motor doesn't allow Full Time Manual Focus. Lens uses gears to adjust focus. EXCEPT for the EF 50mm F/1.4 USM lens (refer to Ring Type USM Mechanical Focus override). (1993-2016, replaced by Nano USM)
Nano USM: Combines STM and USM technology for fast AF. Allows Full Time Manual Focus is Focus by wire. (2016- Present)
STM: Stepper Motor for quiet AF. Allows Full Time Manual Focus which is Focus by Wire. (2012- Present)
AFD: Arc-Form Drive original EOS AF motor. No longer in use was replaced by Micro Motor in 1993 for new lens designs. No Full Time Manual Focus (Retired 1987-1992)
Micro Motor: Older least advanced AF motor slower AF used in cheaper lenses. No Full Time Manual Focus. (Retired, 1993-2012) Replaced by STM in 2012.
IS: Image Stabilization available in the lens.
IBIS: In Body Image Stabilization available in select EOS R Series cameras.
Macro: A macro lens with 1:1 magnification
Compact Macro: Lens is able to focus closer than a normal macro lens.
MP-E: Manual Focus only electronic aperture control no focus to infinity.
TS-E: Tilt Shift lens with electronic aperture control no Autofocus.
Soft Focus: Lens is designed to provide a creamy bokeh effect.
PZ: Power Zoom lens. Only 1 lens released with this feature. Only the EF 35-80mm F/4-5.6 PZ lens used this.
TTL: Through The Lens Flash metering. Flash system relies on light reflected off the film. NOT compatible with EOS Digital cameras.
A-TTL: Advanced Through The Lens Flash metering system in EOS film bodies released in 1986. Replaced by E-TTL in 1995. System uses a pre-flash measured by a sensor on the speedlite itself. NOT compatible with EOS Digital cameras. Uses EZ series speedlites
E-TTL Version 1: Evaluative Through The lens Flash metering system. System uses a pre-flash measured by the camera body to calculate flash exposure. System also relies on AF point selection too. Compatible with EX or EL series speedlites. Replaced by E-TTL II in 2004.
E-TTL II: Refer to E-TTL Version 1. System was released in 2004 and works similarly to the original E-TTL. But uses focus distance information from the lens. Via a distance encoder in the lens. E-TTL II doesn't rely on AF point selection. Note E-TTL II is IMPLEMENTED in the camera body NOT the speedlite.
EOS M Series: A discontinued APS-C mirrorless lineup of cameras (2012-2023). Replaced by EOS R Series APS-C cameras in 2023. EF-M lenses CAN NOT BE ADAPTED to EOS R Series cameras.
EOS R Series: Originally released in 2018 with Full Frame cameras only. Later in 2023 with APS-C cameras. New APS-C lenses were released.
Z: Lens has an optional attachment to allow power zoom. Only the RF 24-105mm F/2.8L IS USM Z lens has this feature.
Automatic Brightness Adjustment of LED AF Assist Beam: Feature IS NOT SUPPORTED on the R3, R7 & R10 camera bodies.
Multi Function Hot Shoe: Released in 2021 and newer subsequent cameras would feature this. It is backwards compatible with the old 5 pin hot shoe. EXCEPT for the EOS R50.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

rs-eos — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:44:10 GMT

I use the RF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS with my EOS C70 and do like it. Haven't used it for photography though.

Just double-checking here, but before you purchase any RF lens, you'd have to have an R-series camera to use them with. They will not work on any EF or EF-S mount Canon DSLR.

Re: Looking to Upgrade from Canon T8i to Mirrorless, Help! (DSLR to Mirrorless)

shadowsports — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:09:11 GMT

Hi Veronica,

Due to your video needs and respecting your budget, I am going to recommend the following:

R6 mkII body $2299 from B&H** / or $2199 refurb from Canon
RF 24-70 f2.8 Refurb $1889
Canon Control Ring EF to RF adapter $199 / or no ring reburb $79
Speedlite 430EX III-RT - Refurb $239.99

This is about $4627, with 6.5% Tax (Canon) you are still under $5k

There are other possibilities, but here is my thinking.

The R6mkII has fantastic video capability and takes beautiful still photos. This can be utilized with the 24-70 constant aperture giving you good wide angle capability with the ability to zoom. I own this lens myself and its great lens providing razor sharp images and good video performance as Ricky (RS-EOS) can attest.

The EF to RF adapter allows you to continue using your EF 100mm f2.8, another high performing L series lens, and the EF 50mm. The Canon flash meets or exceeds all of the Godox V1 capabilites and is 100% compatible with the R6 mkII. You can continue to use your Aputure Amaran AL-F7 On Camera LED for video.

What you will sell, trade or give away:

T8i
EF-S 35mm
Godox v1

With this money, you will buy 2 additional batteries and 3-4 SD cards
Note: **Body from B&H - Its being ofered with a Free 2 battery Watson charger (you will be able to charge 3 batteries at once)
The R6 mkII has dual card slots and supports simultaneous, relay, etc recording. Pro level feature**

With that said, Let's see what others recommend. Their are more ways to approach this. I trust others will have valuable suggestions as well.