topic Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens in EF & RF Lenses

Canon 5d mk2 Lens

mje59 — Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:14:05 GMT

Hi I've a Canon 5D MK2 i'm totally new to photography, i wondered whats the best all rd lens for me to start with, I want to be able to take all types of photos till i get used to the camera, nothing too exspensive though.

Regards Martin

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

Skirball — Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:20:13 GMT

What do you consider too expensive? The 5d2 is a full frame camera, and doesn't offer many cheap lenses.

The best all around, affordable lens, that will allow a wide range of photography would be the EF 24 - 105, which you can get as a "white box" for around $700. Cheaper than that, you're looking at used, poor third party options, or prime lenses.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

ebiggs1 — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:35:03 GMT

The "Golden Boy" of Canon lenses is the Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM. This is a sweetheart lens and one of the very few non-L lenses I recommned. It has been in the line for years and has proven it's worth. Which is BTW, brand new, lees than $500 bucks. Try it, you'll like it.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

RobertTheFat — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:55:20 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
The "Goldne Boy" of Canon lenses is the Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM. This is a sweetheart lens and one of the very few non-L lenses I recommned. It has been in the line for years and has proven it's worth. Which is BTW, brand new, lees than $500 bucks. Try it, you'll like it.

It's FF-compatible, but makes a very nice medium-range telephoto on a crop camera. I picked one up several years ago as part of a 50D kit. I didn't really need it, so I gave it to my wife to use on her T2i. It may be Canon's most underrated lens.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

ebiggs1 — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:24:36 GMT

"It may be Canon's most underrated lens."

Absolutely! I have two of them. They go on my second shooter and/or assistant's camera at events we work. Great for FF like the 6D.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

trulandphoto — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:38:20 GMT

You should also check out the new 24-104 STM lens. I'm guessing image quality will be better than the 28-135 which I found quite soft.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_stm

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

RobertTheFat — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:52:15 GMT

@trulandphoto wrote:
You should also check out the new 24-105 STM lens. I'm guessing image quality will be better than the 28-135 which I found quite soft.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_stm

I hadn't heard about that one. What's its role, do you think? Sort of a modernization of the old 28-105mm /3.5-4.5? A 70D kit lens for someone starting to anticipate FF?

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

Skirball — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:06 GMT

@trulandphoto wrote:
You should also check out the new 24-104 STM lens. I'm guessing image quality will be better than the 28-135 which I found quite soft.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_stm

It's not even expected to be released until December. How are they going to "check it out"?

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

Skirball — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:23:42 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@trulandphoto wrote:
You should also check out the new 24-105 STM lens. I'm guessing image quality will be better than the 28-135 which I found quite soft.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_stm
I hadn't heard about that one. What's its role, do you think? Sort of a modernization of the old 28-105mm /3.5-4.5? A 70D kit lens for someone starting to anticipate FF?

I'd guess it's more for the 6D videographer. I wouldn't be surprised if Canon starts using this as a kit lens for the 6D or even 5d3. A new line of "affordable" full frame. With current gray market prices of the 24-105 f/4 this lens won't sell well - better build quality, constant aperture, and USM for practically the same cost. So something has to change to make space for it. Cutting off the source of the gray market - kitting with the 24-105 f/4, would be once place to start.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

trulandphoto — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:38:39 GMT

@Skirball wrote:
@trulandphoto wrote:
You should also check out the new 24-104 STM lens. I'm guessing image quality will be better than the 28-135 which I found quite soft.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_stm
It's not even expected to be released until December. How are they going to "check it out"?

That's what the link is for.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

trulandphoto — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:55:09 GMT

@Skirball wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@trulandphoto wrote:
You should also check out the new 24-105 STM lens. I'm guessing image quality will be better than the 28-135 which I found quite soft.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_stm
I hadn't heard about that one. What's its role, do you think? Sort of a modernization of the old 28-105mm /3.5-4.5? A 70D kit lens for someone starting to anticipate FF?
I'd guess it's more for the 6D videographer. I wouldn't be surprised if Canon starts using this as a kit lens for the 6D or even 5d3. A new line of "affordable" full frame. With current gray market prices of the 24-105 f/4 this lens won't sell well - better build quality, constant aperture, and USM for practically the same cost. So something has to change to make space for it. Cutting off the source of the gray market - kitting with the 24-105 f/4, would be once place to start.

It will for sure be a kit lens for full frame bodies. Which is why the OP should "check it out" for their 5DII. This also means there will be white box options from broken up kits to get it at a good price. Should be available at close to half the f/4L price.

I'm betting this lens will do fine if it's as good quality as the recent EF-S kit lens offerings.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

ebiggs1 — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:42:40 GMT

"Sort of a modernization of the old 28-105mm /3.5-4.5?"

This lens has already been "modernized" as it has several different incarnations. This lens is not in the same league as the 28-135mm, although they look simular. They can be had for $100 bucks (used) or less and have been discontinued. There are 1,000's of them around. It's not built really well and it's performance is just so-so. I got one around here somewhere.

Re: Canon 5d mk2 Lens

TCampbell — Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:41:37 GMT

Greeting Martin,

Skirball posted some good advice.

The Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L is a very high quality lens which runs about $1150 retail... BUT... this lens ALSO happens to be the "kit" lens included with a few of the high-end bodies including when the photographer wants the body but not the lens.

For example... when I bought my 5D III, I was not able to find anyone who had it available in the "body only" Canon packaging. I could only find the "kit" version which included the 24-105mm lens. I didn't want the lens as I already own quite a number of Canon lenses (I also own a 5D II).

It turns out most stores were advertising a "body only" price and when I called to purchase, what they REALLY do is remove the lens from the body/lens "kit" and send me everything else. They THEN sell the lens alone as a "white box" lens (the lens is not in Canon retail packaging.)

It turns out if you look at the cost of, say, a 5D III "body only" and the cost of a 5D III with the "kit" lens, the price tag goes up by about $550 to get it with the lens (even though the lens sells for about $1150 by itself.)

CONSEQUENTLY... there are many outfits that will sell you the "white box" version of the lens for about $700 (and sometimes less). That's a very good deal and it's not hard to find the lens at that price.

The other option that has already been pointed out is the 28-135mm ... which sells for a little less "new" ... just shy of $500.

On the 5D II body, a "normal" focal length is about 50mm. Anything less than 50mm is going in the "wide angle" direction... anything above 50mm is going in the "telephoto" direction. This means both the 24-105 and the 28-135 offer a wide-angle through moderate telephoto focal length. Neither are ultra-wide nor ultra-tele. They're both good general-purpose walking-around lenses for all-around photography.

The focal ratio on the lens name is the maximum focal ratio available. This is an indicator of how much light the lens collects. Lower focal ratios mean the lens can collect more light and it can create a shallower "depth of field" (when the lens is focused to any given distance... typically subjects a little closer and also a little farther will also be in focus. The "depth of field" is an indicator of the range of distances at which subjects will appear to be in acceptable focus. It's easy to create a broad depth of field... a bit tricker to make it narrower. Photographers (especially portraiture) like narrow depth of field because it means you can have a tack-sharp subject and a deliberately de-focused background which really helps draw attention to your tack-sharp subject.

The advantage of the 24-105mm is that it can provide the f/4 aperture at all focal lengths in the zoom range. The 28-135 is a "variable focal length" lens meaning it's wide-open setting varies depending on the focal length. At it's widest-angle setting (28mm) it's able to open up to f/3.5. But as you zoom in it quickly falls drops to f/5.6 (usually once you are just half-way through the range you already arrive at the f/5.6 setting... but that varies by lens.) Also the 24-105mm is an "L" series lens (the "L" designation is assigned to Canon's best line of lenses.) There are MANY subtle differences that you might not notice. Usually L series lenses tend to have more aperture blades and the blades are more well-rounded so the character of out of focus blur tends to look better. They're often (but not always) weather-sealed. The build quality is generally better. They certainly fuss over the optics a bit more to ensure better optical traits (distortion, vignetting, chromatic abberation, etc. tend to be controlled better.)

Even if the more expensive 24-105 is beyond your budget, you'll still want to be aware of the differences between lenses or you can get frustrated. I've observed people being frustrated with a "camera" because they cant get the look that someone else with a similar camera can get... and they don't realize that the lens was making the difference.

If you are passionate about photography... you may slowly want to accumulate higher-end lenses as your budget permits.