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Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 06:14:22 GMT

Hey photo people! I'm looking into buying the Canon 70D but I can't decide on what lens to purchase with the camera or if I should stick with the lens that comes in the kit. This is my first "fancy" camera purchase so it's a little challenging for me as far as knowing what to buy and what will fit my expectations. I really enjoy capturing the "bokeh" effect images so I'm thinking that I want the 50mm 1.8 or the 50mm 1.4 for sure which will be my second lens. As for my primary lens, I want something that will capture my 1yr old daughter running around, such as candid shots. Also, family photos, special events (indoor and outdoor), our local motocross races, maybe even perhaps a wedding or two if I get lucky. My best friend asked me to do her maturity photos coming up soon, so mainly stuff like that. I don't do wildlife, travel, etc. With all of that being said, I'm seeking help in more experienced photographers to help guide me in the right direction in hopes to narrow down my hunt for a great lens that I won't regret buying or putting money into but also within my budget.

I went to a local camera store earlier today and the gentleman who was helping me tried selling me the Canon 24-105mm F4 lens. What are your thoughts on that lens? Should I spend that much? I've been doing some research and I noticed that a lot of Canon fans are recommending to stay with the lens that comes in the kit. I've also read a lot about the 10-22mm lens. This hunt is overwhelming, especially since I'm still pretty new to learning the higher-end camera equipment. What would be the ideal general purpose lens that I can keep mounted most of the time for the types of photos that I want to capture? The lens part is challenging for me because I don't really know what I'm buying but I'm trying to be patient as I reach out for help. I'm slowly getting into photography and have some events coming up that friends and family asked me to photograph for practice so I want to be ready, well as ready as I can be. So, what is a good list of lens I should be looking at for the 70D and also for the type of photos I listed above? Please help. Any advice, suggestions, opinions and/or referrals are welcome. Thanks x a million everyone!

With appreciation,

Sammy Jo 🙂

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

RobertTheFat — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:46:47 GMT

I wonder if you've done enough research to justify buying a 70D. If you really need a new camera soon, you might buy a high-end Powershot or something similar; then look into upgrading to a DSLR in a couple of years when you're more likely to understand your options.

That said, in my opinion the correct general-purpose lens for a 70D is the EF-S 18-55mm f/2.8, a fast, image-stabilized, constant aperture zoom lens that's well built and surprisingly sharp. The 24-105mm f/4 is a bit long for a crop-frame camera and should normally be bought only by someone who already has a full-frame camera or is contemplating an upgrade to one. And obviously you're not.

One other point, though: Sometimes the price difference between a camera with and without the kit lens is so small that they're practically giving you the lens. In that case you'd be crazy not to take it. A few years ago Canon's entry-level kit lens was pretty awful, but many think that the more recent versions are pretty good. Even if you don't use it much, it's a good spare for the beach or other equipment-hostile locations.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ebiggs1 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:40:31 GMT

sjp711,

I have a differing opinion than Robert. The 24-105mm f4 is the best buy of a lens in the Canon line. It is an "L" quality which is the best Canaon makes. It is readily availble at big discounts in the form of a "white box" version. The exact lens with the exact warranty but was removed from a kit. I have seen these sell for $700 or even less brand new.

As to it's being not short enough for a 70D is probably true but the advantage of a DSLR is you can have more than one lens! Besides what is lost on the short side is gained on the long end. If you like wildlife this may be a good thing for you.

So many of these guys get hung up on the lens numbers. But they are just that, numbers. If the lens looks right and works for you, the numbers are meaningless. What you see through the viewfinder is what is important, Right?

A 10-22mm and the 24-105mm would make a great combo for the 70D. The 50mm not so much. I bet if you get one it will get used very little. It is pretty specialized lens but later on it could be interesting to play around with one.

Remember you don't have to get them all at once. Another feature of a DSLR. You can add and add and add for a very long time!

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:29:21 GMT

Thank you, Bob. I've had the chance to play around with a powershot and it's definitely not up to my expectations in a camera or quality of photo. I appreciate your feedback.

Sammy Jo 🙂

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:35:33 GMT

The 24-105mm is way out of my budget right now but I look forward to making that purchase in the future, I've heard so many good things about that lens. I called Canon and spoke to a specialist, he recommended that I get the kit, camera with the 18-55mm lens. Also get the 55-250mm STM lens as well as the 85-1.8 or 50-1.4 for my "bokeh" effect. What do you think?

Thanks,
Sammy Jo

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ebiggs1 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:47:53 GMT

Sammy Jo,

The kit lens will be a great start. In time as you grow you may, probably will, want to upgrade them.

Personally, I would not buy a 50mm f1.4 and much less the 85mm f.8 or f1.4 right off. They are very specialized lenses.

Get the 70D and the kit lenses and learn it. Use it. Think about a post processing software as great things come after the picture it taken. A very good one is Photoshop Elements.

Here is a nice one Canon EOS 70D kit There are others, too.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ScottyP — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:24:56 GMT

I agree with the Canon guy you spoke to. The 18-55 is a good versatile starter lens. And if you need a telephoto the 55-250 kit tele is also a cheap way to get there. Since neither of these gives you good dim indoor shooting, nor are they going to wow anyone with nice bokeh blur, I agree you would do well with a prime like the 50 1.4, which is not bad at both and also reasonably priced. 50 is nice length for both portraits and general use on a crop camera. The 85mm would be too long on a crop for indoor shooting, unless it was in a gymnasium or some kind of big room with your subjects not being right close.

One other possibility is get an EF-s 17-55 2.8 lens on sale. It would do the job of both the 18-55 and the 50 mm pretty well and has image quality better than the 18-55. You lose 2 stops vs the 50 1.4 but it is 2 stops faster than the 18-55 at the long end and you gain versatility.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ebiggs1 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:07:15 GMT

"The 24-105mm is way out of my budget right now ..."

One more thing, if you do intend on buying the 70D, with the kit lens, either the standard one or the f2.8 and the 55-250mm plus a 50mm f.14, you are certainly in the neighborhood of the 70D and a 24-105mm f4. And to me that would be a huge better way to start out. The lenses you are considering are consumer grade. Nothing really wrong with them but they are not "L" quality pro lenses.

Think it over before you plop the cash down. If ypu take to this fascinating hobby you will likely be in the "L" level sooner or later, so why not just start there. Chceck out the cost differences first.

The 17-55mm f2.8 is around $900 bucks but a white box 24-105mm f4 L can be had for $700 to $750. Sometimes even less.

So which is the best deal? Remember f2.8 is one stop faster than f4. ONE STOP.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:04:04 GMT

Will the 10-22 lens give me the fisheye look. I want a side fun lens to play around with. Truthfully, the 24-105 is way too expensive for me for right now. However, I do look forward to purchasing that lens in the future.

Thank you 🙂

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:09:20 GMT

What I'm wanting is a nice but non-expensive everyday lens that will allow me to take pictures of my active 1yr old, indoor events, outdoor adventures, candids and family portraits. A second lens to give me that "bokeh" effect that I love shooting and the 3rd lens to have some fun with, like the fisheye effect.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ebiggs1 — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:06:19 GMT

"Will the 10-22 lens give me the fisheye look."

No it will not. It does have some distortion as any WA lens will but htis one will still shoot pretty "normal" shots. Only a very large angle of acceptence.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:45:27 GMT

Thank you for answeing my questions.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

Skirball — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:02:46 GMT

@sjp711 wrote:
What I'm wanting is a nice but non-expensive everyday lens that will allow me to take pictures of my active 1yr old, indoor events, outdoor adventures, candids and family portraits. A second lens to give me that "bokeh" effect that I love shooting and the 3rd lens to have some fun with, like the fisheye effect.

As biggy mentioned, the 10-22 won't give you a fisheye effect, but it is wide. And instead of taking out the distortion in post you can go the other way and add more to give an exaggerated distortion. Like so:

I think the 10-22 is a "fun lens", but I'm not really into full blown fisheye effects. Not for more than a photo or two. An ultrawide allows for some fun distortion but is still useful for architectural and tight spaces. That said, a 10-22 costs almost as much as a cheap 24-105, so if you're looking at that you might want to reconsider your purchase. Besides, Canon recently came out with a new 10-18 that looks quite sharp, adds image stabilization and costs half as much as the 10-22. As much as I love my 10-22, I wouldn't recommend it since release of the 10-18.

All that said, an ultrawide (UWA) would be the last lens I got out of the three mentioned above. First get a decent all around lens with a bit of reach to try to keep up with the 1 year old. Then I'd get a fast prime, then the UWA.

The 24-105 mentioned before truly is a great lens at a great price. But if you're not willing to spend that much perhaps look at the new 55-250. It's not near the quality, nor will it do quite as well in darker settings (indoors will be a problem), but it's a decent lens at a cheap price. Plus it gives you lots of reach for when that 1 year old turns 2.

Primes are a tough call. A fast 50 is always nice to have, in my opinion. However, having children, I couldn't imagine not having a macro lens to get up close to all those precious little features. A 60mm macro would fit both requirements, but won't get the super smooth bokeh of a faster lens on a 70D.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:44:05 GMT

Wow that is a very awesome and "fun" photo. I would love to take pictures with that effect, does it take a lot of practice or come natural with the lens? I feel like I am reading another language when reading about lenses, I know very little about them which males it difficult to understand what I'm searching for. Are you saying don't get a "bokeh" effect lens? What is a 60mm macro lens? I apologize.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

Skirball — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:51:16 GMT

Yes, cameras and lenses are complicated things, which is why I really recommending starting small and learning what you have and what you need before dropping a lot of money on things. I really wouldn't get a 70D to start, I'd rather put that money tow

Every lens creates bokeh, in some amount, but some create more than others. Despite seeming simple, bokeh is actually kind of complicated. There are many an internet debate over it’s quantity and quality versus different variables: iris size, aperture, magnification, subject distance, subject size, camera sensor size, focal length, etc. I’ll try to summarize just the points applicable to this conversation, but I’m going to not fully explain things and I’m sure someone will point out my errors.

The larger the aperture (smaller “f number”), the more bokeh you’ll get out of a lens. When people think of lenses that create bokeh they think of fast lenses, i.e. lenses with a small f number. The 60mm macro I mentioned has a maximum aperture of 2.8, which is on the large size of standard. Most consider anything below this number to be a “fast lens”. The 50mm 1.8, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4, etc.

I don’t want to complicate it too much, but there’s more to it relevant here. A macro lens gets you closer to your subject than most lenses. Closer means more magnification, which means more bokeh. But only when close. Too much bokeh (we call it a “small depth of field”) is actually a problem for macro photographers. But again, I digress. To summarize, if you really, really want bokeh, you probably want one of the lenses I mention above. These lenses will also help in dim lighting. But the 60mm macro has a little less bokeh, but is a much sharper lens and will allow you to take detail shots of little baby fingers and eyes and whatnot. Honestly, it’s a tough choice if it were me.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:47:50 GMT

Thanks for explaining all of that for me. I feel like I learn something new everyday about photography and it's equipment which has been exciting for me. I was looking into the 70D, as mentioned but I got to thinking and now I'm considering buying the 6D with the basic lens for now. I've heard really, really amazing things about the 6D. I figure it might be more beneficial for me to focus on buying the more high-end camera now, learn, practice, get comfortable then I might I have a better understanding on what lenses to buy that will best fit my expectations. Just a thought, I could be wrong but I figured I would throw my idea out there to get some feedback on it.

Thanks 🙂

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ebiggs1 — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:53:30 GMT

You did not mention your budget? If a 6D is now in your sights the 24-105mm f4 makes even more sense.

The photo you seemed to like above is a product of post processing and not just the camera and lens.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

Skirball — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:57:20 GMT

@sjp711 wrote:
Thanks for explaining all of that for me. I feel like I learn something new everyday about photography and it's equipment which has been exciting for me. I was looking into the 70D, as mentioned but I got to thinking and now I'm considering buying the 6D with the basic lens for now. I've heard really, really amazing things about the 6D. I figure it might be more beneficial for me to focus on buying the more high-end camera now, learn, practice, get comfortable then I might I have a better understanding on what lenses to buy that will best fit my expectations. Just a thought, I could be wrong but I figured I would throw my idea out there to get some feedback on it.

Thanks 🙂

Sorry, but you have it backwards, in my opinion anyway. Get good lenses before the camera. Lenses will still be good in 5 years, the 6D will be old by then. Earlier in this discussion you said that the 24-105 is way out of your budget... that lens is the "kit lens" for the 6D. With only a few exceptions, the 6D requires expensive lenses.

More importantly, I think the flexibility and performance that you would see out of a couple of good lenses and an ok camera is much greater than that of a good camera and one ok lens. The above image isn't really a good example, it was just a fun shot... but it was done with a 450D; an ancient camera by today's standards. A 600D or 700D will not 'hold you back', as a photographer. Perhaps you'll have a few images taken in dim lighting that would have been better with a 6D, but most of the time you probably won't even notice the difference. And others will probably be far better because you'll benefit from things available on consumer level cameras that aren't always on pro line, like flash (6D doesn't have one), or swivel screens, or auto modes.

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

sjp711 — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:01:12 GMT

I just realized that the 6D is $2,500 with the lens kit. I was trying to stay right under $2,000

Re: Lens suggestions for the 70D

ebiggs1 — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:12:48 GMT

Did you check this out? Here is a nice one Canon EOS 70D kit No tax unless you live in New York and no shipping charge right to your door.