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Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

WolfheartFilms — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:19:47 GMT

I am a young photographer who currently owns the T3i Costco kit (Comes with the 18-55 IS II and 55-250 IS II). I am very interested in buying the EF 70-200 f/4 L IS USM lens, because I love doing up-close photos. Would the lens work well with the T3i, and would it be any better than the 55-250 IS II?

Thanks,

WolfheartFilms (Caleb)

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

cicopo — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:51:40 GMT

Yes it will work & Yes it's a great lens sharpness & AF speed wise. It will however be a little shorter on the long end than your 55-250.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

cale_kat — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:38:22 GMT

@WolfheartFilms wrote:
I am a young photographer who currently owns the T3i Costco kit (Comes with the 18-55 IS II and 55-250 IS II). I am very interested in buying the EF 70-200 f/4 L IS USM lens, because I love doing up-close photos. Would the lens work well with the T3i, and would it be any better than the 55-250 IS II?

Thanks,
WolfheartFilms (Caleb)

It'll work great but that's a range you already have covered. Is there something about the 70-200 f/4 that you could really use? Are you disappointed with your current lenses?

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:33:25 GMT

Do you mean close-up photos (i.e. camera is close to subject) or bringing distance objects close?

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

WolfheartFilms — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:49:46 GMT

I'm not necessarily disappointed, I'm just wondering if it's any better than what I already have.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

WolfheartFilms — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:50:59 GMT

Well, delving into the detail of the subject, and bringing objects close.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:53:16 GMT

Reason I asked was that bringing distant objects closer is task for telephoto lenses, but getting close to an oblect and seeing great detail is generally a macro lens.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

TCampbell — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:26:11 GMT

The 70-200mm f/4L is a noticeable upgrade over the 55-250.

The 55-250 is a consumer grade lens where affordability is an important consideration. The 70-200 is an L series lens.

You will likely notice much improvement in contrast and ability to resolve fine detail over the 55-250.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

cale_kat — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:50:49 GMT

There are a few generalizations that most photographers agree on where it comes to the engineering of lenses. Heavier lenses typically contain more glass and therefore are engineered to a higher level of precision. Another one is, a shorter zoom range is easier to control for optical aberrations over its entire range than a lens of similar build quality over a longer zoom range".

So, yeah, the 70-200mm f/4L is better controled, optically, over its entire range than the more far reaching 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS II but as cicopo has pointed out, you lose a bit of range on both ends in return.

Edited to add: I will not suggest that it is preferable to execute quality post-processing in response to less than desired results, but it is considered entirely acceptable. I spent 5 years photographing and printing images with my 35mm camera equipped with a 50mm lens. I experimented constantly in the darkroom with paper offering differing levels of contrast, dodging and burning images, and in general creating my images. No one ever suggested that my prints were anything less than genuine. Make your own art.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

ebiggs1 — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:14:14 GMT

It really comes down to how serious are you. Is this just a hobby or are you interested in taking it farther?

If you are a hobbists keep what you have and spend the money on other equipment. But if you are ready to move to the next level by all means buy it. The 'kit' lens is designed for the masses and the 'L' is designed for the advanced and pros.

Beside the obivious IQ improvement, an 'L' lens is designed for day in day out use. It is designed to work and work every time for a long time. The average 'just for funsey' person doesn't need that.

If you are that guy that wants to take it farther, I doubt the 70-200mm will be the only lens you will want but it fills it's intended roll very well.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

ScottyP — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 01:32:43 GMT

The "L" lens will give you better detail and contrast and less distortion of several varieties.  I am not sure if it is the lens for what you are after.  It would help if you gave more info. 
How long have you been shooting this setup? 
What do you shoot? 
Inside or outside?
Ever in low light?
Are you saying the kit lenses do not give you enough clear sharp detail when you crop in in post?
 
Before I bought a zoom lens whose range I already had covered, and, more importantly, whose APERTURE is not markedly wider than the lens I already have, I would first examine what I want/need from it. 
 
If you were going for the much more expensive f/2.8 version, you would be getting about 4x more light into the thing compared to the kit lens at long zoom, so you could shoot with 4x the shutter speed.  The f/4 will (only) give you 2x the shutter speed (2x the light) as the kit lens at long zoom.
 
Consider buying a prime lens if that fits your needs and budget.  A 50mm f/1.4 is a good portrait lens on a crop, as well as a good long-ish walk-around.  A 35mm f/1.4 on a crop is a very practical walk-around on a crop.  Both are about the same price as your f/4 70-200, but at f/1.4 they will give you almost 8x the light (ergo 8x the shutter speed) as the f/4, and almost 16x the light a variable aperture f/5.6 kit lens has on the long end.  And prime lenses (non-zoom fixed lenses) are smaller and lighter because they have less glass, and they are even sharper (usually) than the 70-200 "L" zoom glass because their design is simpler and involves less glass.  Canon makes them, of course, but also look at the Sigma "Art" prime 35 and 50 lenses for about $900.00.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

Guz — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 23:12:25 GMT

One thing they haven't mentioned is the fact the T3i is an APS-C crop sensor camera. So your EF 70-200mm lens is going to be about 1.6x more than the 70-200. The 200mm will be more like a 360mm on the T3i. The 55-250 lens is an EF-S lens, so it will be a true 55-250mm. I to shoot the Canon T3i and am considering this lens. Especially since it is way cheaper than the 2.8 version. Hope this helps.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

cicopo — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 23:22:59 GMT

That is not correct. The EF-S lens line use the same language re how many MM they are as the EF line up does. It's confusing to some but in the long run everything can be compared using one standard. Even P & S cameras give comparible numbers in their specs using the old 35 mm film lens method still in use.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

ebiggs1 — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 23:58:35 GMT

Guz,

cicopo is correct. mm is mm and always will be.

"Especially since it is way cheaper than the 2.8 version."

It may be way cheaper but that is where any comparing has to end. The two lenses. except sharing a similar focal length, have nothing in common. Hope this helps, too.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

Mr_Fusion — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:40:34 GMT

You will always be upgrading your camera every few years. Lenses and other equipment though, you'll want to use on that new camera. If you are serious about getting any new lens, buy as good as you can afford. "L" series lenses are very good quality. the 55-250 is a consumer / hobbyist, bottom of the pile lens that just happens to do a very good job. Any "L" lens will do a better job. The lens will have a greater impact on any shot than the camera will.

The consumer grade lenses are not environmentally sealed. The "L" lenses are. An "L" lens will fit any Canon EOS body. The "S" lenses only fit the cropped (Rebel) bodies. The Rebel line are very good cameras and will take as good a shot as the top of the line. But they too have short comings and are not as robust as the more expensive cameras. At some point you will most likely replace your camera. You shouldn't need to replace the lenses as well.

Remember, it isn't the camera or lens that gets a great shot. It's the person behind the camera. Whatever you do, enjoy it and make the best with what you have because 99% of the people looking won't know and won't care about your equipment. But you will.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

ebiggs1 — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:58:27 GMT

"The "L" lenses are."

Most "L" lenses are ! Some more or less than others.

"It's the person behind the camera."

Reality is, 1/2 gear (camera/lens), 1/2 you, and 1/2 post editing. Not necessarily in that order.

Re: Canon T3i + EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens?

Mr_Fusion — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 15:36:31 GMT

And, 3/4 subject.