topic Re: The Best Lens in EF & RF Lenses

The Best Lens

idanidan123 — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:59:08 GMT

Obviously there is no ''best lens'', but I wanna ask you- What is the best lens, in your opinion, for each photography style ?

I want at least ONE llens you think is the best for: Landscape, portrait, macro, street, nature, wildlife, event, aerial, sports and night.

As always, thanks in advance !

Re: The Best Lens

TCampbell — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:27:01 GMT

So immediately we have to ask... which camera model do you have (specifically it makes a difference if it's an APS-C sensor camera vs. a crop-sensor camera.)

Without a doubt, regardless of model, owning an EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II should be on your wish-list if you don't already own this lens. It's versatile for sports, nature, wildlife, portraits, etc. About the only area where I wouldn't use it is 'landscape' or 'macro'.

My 70-200 is actually the lens that "lives" on the camera, but then I'm usually shooting outside and this lens is used more than any other lens I own (I own 9 different L series lenses and the fact that I gravitate to this lens should tell you how much I like it.)

If I'm shooting indoors, or close subjects outdoors then I probably flip to my 24-70mm f/2.8L (I still own the original.. I never upgraded to the version II.)

For macro, I use the EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM. It's extremely versatile and it has the best image stabilization system of any macro on the market.

Landscape becomes a tough subject. As a generalization, most photographers tend to pick wide-angle lenses (at least moderately wide-angle). If you need to "look around" to take in the scenery... then you probably want a lens with a wide field of view. If you use a long focal length lens it's a bit like looking through a soda straw while trying to appreciate the Grand Canyon... you're missing most of what's there. There are always exceptiosn to this, which is why I refer to this as a "generalization".

Another generalization about landscape which is different than many other types of photography is that usually "everything" in the scene is the "subject". That means you usually do want good focus on "everything". Short focal length lenses naturally produce broader depth of field. Also focusing at a distance also increases depth of field. So these two factors generally contribut having more in focus. But if you're hard-core... then nothing beats a tilt-shift lens. The Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 would be hard to beat. You're getting a wide-angle. You're getting staggeringly good optics (this lens has some of the best corner-to-corner performance of any lens there is). AND... you can "tilt" the lens to swing the focal plane onto your subject plane. Tilt-shift lenses are tricky to learn and strictly manual focus only. They are also not cheap.

For wildlife photography during the day, the Canon lens would probably be the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM. But there are those who prefer the Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm lenses. Sigma makes two versions of it, Tamron makes one. I do own the Canon but do not own the Sigma or Tamron. But reviews seem to gush on about the quality and performance of the Canon. Even with a 1.4x teleconverter, the Canon is still reported to outperform the Sigma and Tamron's native focal length range without a teleconverter.

I have no experience with aerial photography so I'll leave that topic alone.

For "night" photography this REALLY depends on what you're shooting. For "milky way" type photography (night-scapes with the stars) then generally you want a very low focal length lens with an extremely low focal ratio. This allows you take a longer exposure with a camera mounted on a tripod before the rotation of the Earth causes the stars to appear to elongate and smear.

I did not mention lenses dedicated to "portraits". A lot of photographers will actually use that same 70-200mm as their portrait lens (it is that good). However, some prefer the 85mm f/1.2L or 85mm f/1.8. A major difference in these two lenses (besides the fact that one is an "L" lens and costs considerably more than the other) is the speed of the focus motor. The f/1.2L is slow to focus. So if you're setting up your shots, it's fantastic. But if your'e shooting in a hurry (candids) then you're going to miss a lot of shots due to the slow focus motor (the f/1.8 would be the better choice for candids.) I have rented the 85mm f/1.2L (and loved it) but the lens I own is the EF 135mm f/2L USM. That lens is a cream-machine... able to produce bokeh so intense, so rich, so creamy... that you get diabetes just looking at the photos. 🙂

But I asked about the camera "body" because the "angle of view" you get using an 85mm on an APS-C crop-frame body is roughly the same that you get using the 135mm on a full-frame body. If you used the 135mm on an APS-C crop-frame body then you'll have to have a fairly good distance between camera and subject (it wouldn't be a good choice for "indoor" photography unless you're in a very large room so you can put some distance between you and your subject.)

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:10:21 GMT

This is easy. It really has nothing to do with which camera model you have. Doesn't matter if it is a cropper and H or a FF.

These are my most favorite lenses of all time and I consider them the "best" there is. That is exactly why I have them. It has taken me 50 years to come to this bag but it is the best I have ever had.

Best there is ..........

Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM Lens

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens

Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Sports Lens for Canon

Runners up ..........

Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX Lens for Canon

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC USD Lens for Canon

Tamron SP 70-200mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Zoom Lens for Canon

Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary Lens for Canon / Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD Lens for Canon. Your choice as either is good and so very close.

One point I consider is price vs performance. It is a big reason I didn't include any of the very expensive white teles that Canon makes. Most of us can not even consider the purchase of one. I do own one a 600mil and it is nothing short of amazing.

I didn't include any brand-N lenses either although I own several. Again either the Canon lens is better or the price vs performance is way off. Plus a couple of the off brand lenses are either equal to or better than brand-N's own.

If you want me to include a prime lens that is the best buy for a super tele, the Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM Lens is it. This lens has no peers and everybody should have one. There is nothing not to like. It is the best price vs performance lens made, period. Otherwise I avoid primes because of the limited use compared to the current zooms.

Re: The Best Lens

RobertTheFat — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 04:51:47 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
This is easy. It really has nothing to do with which camera model you have. Doesn't matter if it is a cropper and H or a FF.
These are my most favorite lenses of all time and I consider them the "best" there is. That is exactly why I have them. It has taken me 50 years to come to this bag but it is the best I have ever had.

Best there is ..........

Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM Lens
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens
Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Sports Lens for Canon

Runners up ..........

Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX Lens for Canon
Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC USD Lens for Canon
Tamron SP 70-200mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Zoom Lens for Canon
Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary Lens for Canon / Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD Lens for Canon. Your choice as either is good and so very close.

One point I consider is price vs performance. It is a big reason I didn't include any of the very expensive white teles that Canon makes. Most of us can not even consider the purchase of one. I do own one a 600mil and it is nothing short of amazing.

I didn't include any brand-N lenses either although I own several. Again either the Canon lens is better or the price vs performance is way off. Plus a couple of the off brand lenses are either equal to or better than brand-N's own.

If you want me to include a prime lens that is the best buy for a super tele, the Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM Lens is it. This lens has no peers and everybody should have one. There is nothing not to like. It is the best price vs performance lens made, period. Otherwise I avoid primes because of the limited use compared to the current zooms.

Don't any of the 16-35's belong on your "Best there is" list? You've got a hole there, and I'd think one of them would be good enough to fill it. Especially since the only lens below 24mm on the list is a fisheye.

Re: The Best Lens

Waddizzle — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 06:22:02 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
Don't any of the 16-35's belong on your "Best there is" list? You've got a hole there, and I'd think one of them would be good enough to fill it. Especially since the only lens below 24mm on the list is a fisheye.

I thought the same thing. I also prefer to have some overlap in the ranges of my zoom lenses, so that I don't get "stuck in between clubs", so to speak.

EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM

EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM

EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM

EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM

Typically, I will carry a camera wherever I go, and I will carry the 16-35mm and the 70-200mm mounted on two camera bodies, one FF body and one crop body. I will usually bring one additional lens, typically the 100-400mm when I am shooting landscapes and cityscapes. If I expect to shoot people, then the spare lens will be the 24-105mm. I may also carry a super wide angle 14mm for use on the crop body.

If I want to travel lighter, I will carry just the 16-35mm, or the 24-105mm, mounted on a FF body, and no spare lenses. Most of the time I am not shooting action photos. When I do expect to shoot action photos, then I will carry drop the 24-105, and add a Sigma 150-600mm f/4.5-6.3mm DG OS HSM Contemporary. I will typically carry the 70-200mm on a FF, and the 100-400mm on a crop body. When I do use the 150-600mm, it means carrying just one camera body and a tripod. I almost always carry a tripod.

I rarely leave the house without a super wide angle lens, typically the 16-35mm.

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:40:18 GMT

Bob
Boston, Massachusetts USA

"Don't any of the 16-35's belong on your "Best there is" list?"

Oh, absolutely, Robert. What a unforgivable omission. The updated and corrected list is.

Best there is ..........

Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM Lens

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens

Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Sports Lens for Canon

As a matter of fact my "short" bag is,

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens

My full bag is the list at the top.

Re: The Best Lens

Mitsubishiman — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:32:38 GMT

Just purchased
EF 16-35mm f2.8L III USM
I highly recommend it, I still have the series II, probably going to sell it, most that own a 5DsR utilize the 16-35, I actually prefer it over the 24-70, but that's just me.

Re: The Best Lens

idanidan123 — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 10:51:36 GMT

Well, I currently own the 70D, but gonna upgrade to the 5D mark II or III. Just gotta get a nice deal. Thanks for all the replies, gonna learn a whole lot from this!

Re: The Best Lens

RobertTheFat — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:22:51 GMT

@idanidan123 wrote:
Well, I currently own the 70D, but gonna upgrade to the 5D mark II or III. Just gotta get a nice deal. Thanks for all the replies, gonna learn a whole lot from this!

I'm with you on the 5D3 (a very good buy right now, even new), but I'd be hard pressed to see the 5D2 as a significant upgrade from the 70D. Doesn't the 70D have a much more sophisticated AF system?

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:47:40 GMT

IMHO, I would take 5D Mk II over a 70D everytime. Not even a doubt.

Re: The Best Lens

TTMartin — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:13:01 GMT

@idanidan123 wrote:
Obviously there is no ''best lens'', but I wanna ask you- What is the best lens, in your opinion, for each photography style ?
I want at least ONE llens you think is the best for: Landscape, portrait, macro, street, nature, wildlife, event, aerial, sports and night.

As always, thanks in advance !

There is no such thing as one best lens. That's why there are interchangeable lens cameras.

If I had to buy one camera and one lens it would be the 5D Mk IV and the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Lens.

Re: The Best Lens

Waddizzle — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 00:03:13 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@idanidan123 wrote:
Obviously there is no ''best lens'', but I wanna ask you- What is the best lens, in your opinion, for each photography style ?
I want at least ONE llens you think is the best for: Landscape, portrait, macro, street, nature, wildlife, event, aerial, sports and night.

As always, thanks in advance !
There is no such thing as one best lens. That's why there are interchangeable lens cameras.

If I had to buy one camera and one lens it would be the 5D Mk IV and the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Lens.

He's right. There is no "best lens" for anything. You're asking the wrong question. Lenses don't come stamped as "sports" or "landscape". Lenses are identified by their focal lengths. While some lenses are stamped as "macro", any lens with a short MFD can be used to create a macro shot. My son used a kit EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-6.3 IS II, with a couple of extension tubes, to cut his teeth on shooting plates of food.

For example, I have used 14mm to shoot landscapes, and I have used 50mm, 85mm, and 100mm, lenses to create a panorama of a landscape.

I'm not a portrait shooter, but portraits can range from a close up of the head and shoulders, to a full body shot. A focal length that works outdoors for a portrait would likely be far too long for an indoor portrait shots.

I have shot macro shots at focal lengths ranging from 35mm to 200mm, and on one occasion I experimented at 300mm.

Nature? Not sure what you have in mind, because that could range from landscape shots of mountain ranges to macro shots of wild flowers, and any number of a thousand other things, including wildlife.

What lens to use for wildlife? That depends upon the size of the wildlife, and how close you can get to it. You can figure using the full range of focal lengths. I have shot bison at the zoo at 16mm, and seagulls on distant rocks at 1200mm.

Sports? Shooting sports is not all that different from wildlife. What is the relative size of the sport, and how close can you get to it? You can figure on needing a full range of focal lengths, depending how you want to frame your subject.

Night photos? I have shot at night using 16mm f/2.8 and hand holding the camera. I have shot the Moon at 1200mm at f/11 while mounted on a tripod.

Are you getting the idea? There is no such thing as a best lens, which is why cameras can use interchangeable lenses. The best that you can do is gather a collection of lenses that cover a wide range of focal lengths. Look at the lists that Ernie and I posted earlier. They cover a wide range of focal lengths. Most of the time I do not carry five lenses, but I will carry the one or two lenses that offer the most versatile range of focal lengths, based upon what I might expect to need.

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:40:50 GMT

"There is no such thing as one best lens."

Actually there is, the Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II Digital Camera. Or perhaps the Canon PowerShot G7 X Mark II. They come as close as one can expect as a one lens, one camera platform. Of course it all depends on your definition of "best".

Re: The Best Lens

TTMartin — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:58:04 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"There is no such thing as one best lens."

Actually there is, the Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II Digital Camera. Or perhaps the Canon PowerShot G7 X Mark II. They come as close as one can expect as a one lens, one camera platform. Of course it all depends on your definition of "best".

Neither the Powershot G1X Mk II nor the Powershot G7X Mk II have a better lens than the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Lens on a 5D Mk IV. That is unless of course you don't understand the impact of image sensor size on effective aperture.

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:04:08 GMT

"Of course it all depends on your definition of "best"."

"That is unless of course you don't understand the impact of image sensor size on effective aperture."

Perhaps you don't comprehend reading 101?

Re: The Best Lens

TTMartin — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:03:29 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"Of course it all depends on your definition of "best"."

"That is unless of course you don't understand the impact of image sensor size on effective aperture."

Perhaps you don't comprehend reading 101?

Under what deffinition of 'best' is the lens of the Powershot G1X Mk II or the Powershot G7X Mk II better lens than the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Lens on a 5D Mk IV?

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:03:09 GMT

OK, let me go over this very slowly so you can understand. There are other people's idea of what 'best' is besides yours. Yours is not the only one. What you might consider 'best', someone else may not or vice versa. As it happens there are many folks that are totally happy with their choice of the 'best' camera/lens combo. And guess what, it isn't yours.

Re: The Best Lens

TTMartin — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:17:38 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
OK, let me go over this very slowly so you can understand. There are other people's idea of what 'best' is besides yours. Yours is not the only one. What you might consider 'best', someone else may not or vice versa. As it happens there are many folks that are totally happy with their choice of the 'best' camera/lens combo. And guess what, it isn't yours.

Let me say this again slowly so you can understand.

I said: "There is no such thing as one best lens."

If I had to buy one camera and one lens it would be the 5D Mk IV and the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Lens.

You said: Actually there is, the Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II Digital Camera. Or perhaps the Canon PowerShot G7 X Mark II. They come as close as one can expect as a one lens, one camera platform. Of course it all depends on your definition of "best".

I responded with: Under what definition of 'best' is the lens of the Powershot G1X Mk II or the Powershot G7X Mk II better lens than the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Lens on a 5D Mk IV?

You responded with a condescending remark, instead of explaining what criteria you used to determine that the Powershot G1X Mk II or the Powershot G7X Mk II were the best. Too bad you can't back up your opionions with substance, but, what else is new.

Re: The Best Lens

idanidan123 — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:29:18 GMT

As far as I know, there are only very few differences between the mark II and III.

Re: The Best Lens

ebiggs1 — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:30:58 GMT

"... instead of explaining what criteria ..."

OK easy, not yours!

You have your opinion of what is best and so does everybody else. Yours is not the end all. No matter how much you believe it is. To some folks a cell phone is best. To some a 1Dx Mk II with a big "L" lens is. And there is everything in between. If it meets your requirements, needs and you are satisfied, it is the 'best' for you.

Is that really so difficult for you to understand. Not everybody is alike or the same.