topic Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III in EF & RF Lenses

EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

Drwho1300 — Fri, 08 Mar 2024 19:10:43 GMT

Using a 100-400mm in combination with 2x extender III on Rebel T7 or 90D. Once the extender is installed I cannot drop below F9 but AF won't work past F8. Any suggestions?

Re: 100-400mm in combination with 2x extender III (EOS 90D and Rebel T7)

Waddizzle — Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:17:54 GMT

You will lose all ability to autofocus. The 90D will autofocus with a 1.4x, but not the T7.

Re: 100-400mm in combination with 2x extender III (EOS 90D and Rebel T7)

kvbarkley — Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:45:24 GMT

Manual focus.

Re: 100-400mm in combination with 2x extender III (EOS 90D and Rebel T7)

johnrmoyer — Fri, 08 Mar 2024 19:04:48 GMT

Auto focus in live view only.

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

shadowsports — Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:40:28 GMT

Follow the advice of my colleagues.

For Reference:

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

ebiggs1 — Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:36:02 GMT

Whether it works and/or AF is available or not, it is a bad idea any way. The 100-400mm zoom doesn't have the IQ to give up to be able to use a 2x tel-con. IMHO, of course others have different standards. Personally I wouldn't even use the 1.4 tel-con with it.

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:53:57 GMT

You will get as good or better results by using the bare lens and cropping in post. And you won't take the AF speed penalty or the loss of light penalty.

One of the AI tools like DxO Pure Raw or Topaz Photo AI can improve the image in post.

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

johnrmoyer — Sat, 09 Mar 2024 19:55:25 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:
You will get as good or better results by using the bare lens and cropping in post. And you won't take the AF speed penalty or the loss of light penalty.
One of the AI tools like DxO Pure Raw or Topaz Photo AI can improve the image in post.

I disagree. I do not see AI hallucinations as an improvement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)

For enlarging up to 200%, I think that bicubic interpolation is better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicubic_interpolation , especially Lancoz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanczos_resampling

https://www.rsok.com/~jrm/2024Feb09_SaltPlainsNWR/2024feb09_kestrel_IMG_8938c.html

American Kestrel (Falco sparverius) at Salt Plains National Wildlife Refuge in Alfalfa County, Oklahoma, United States on February 9, 2024, https://www.rsok.com/~jrm/2024Feb09_SaltPlainsNWR/2024feb09_kestrel_IMG_8938c.html , EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM +2x III, distance to subject about 45 meters

https://www.rsok.com/~jrm/2024Feb09_SaltPlainsNWR/IMG_8938cs2.JPG

Same image cropped without downsizing

https://www.rsok.com/~jrm/2024Feb09_SaltPlainsNWR/2024feb09_kestrel_IMG_8938cs4.jpg

Same image resized to 200% with Lancoz

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

ebiggs1 — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:18:26 GMT

" And you won't take the AF speed penalty or the loss of light penalty."

Even if post processing is good you still can't eliminate what JohnH opined. Or, perhaps the same results as stated done with cropping in post. We all have our standards which may be different.

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

johnrmoyer — Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:40:06 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
" And you won't take the AF speed penalty or the loss of light penalty."
Even if post processing is good you still can't eliminate what JohnH opined. Or, perhaps the same results as stated done with cropping in post. We all have our standards which may be different.

Post processing.

For low noise images, the small aperture diffraction blur can be removed. The "capture sharpening" in rawtherapee does this. The "digital lens optimizer" in DPP does this. The Richardson/Lucy deconvolution in the GMIC plugin for gimp does this, but it is important not to have any sharpening in other software before doing this in gimp.

The Kestrel image was made using the "Standard" picture style which was the starting point for DPP. All of the changes made from the standard style in DPP are listed below. To me this seems like minimal post processing. Auto lighting optimizer and peripheral illumination correction and distortion correction were turned off in the camera menus. I changed white balance from auto to daylight in DPP.

To me, this image seems to be an accurate representation of the Kestrel. I am sorry that it does not meet your standards. I could not get closer to the bird. The slower AF with extender is necessary to compensate for the 2 times larger focus step, otherwise there would not be accurate focus.

[CanonVRD:Image] White Balance Adj              : Daylight
[CanonVRD:Image] Color Saturation Adj : 1
[CanonVRD:Image] DLO Setting                    : 65
[CanonVRD:Image] Gamma Unsharp Mask Strength    : 3
[CanonVRD:Image] Gamma Unsharp Mask Fineness    : 1.7
[CanonVRD:Image] Gamma Unsharp Mask Threshold   : 3
[CanonVRD:Image] DPRAW Microadjust Back Front   : 1
[CanonVRD:Image] DPRAW Microadjust Strength     : 8
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop X                         : 542
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop Y                         : 657
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop Width                     : 3600
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop Height                    : 2400
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop Rotation                  : 0
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop Original Width            : 5088
[CanonVRD:Image] Crop Original Height           : 3392

Re: EOS 90D & Rebel T7 won't go below F9 with 100-400mm & 2x extender III

ebiggs1 — Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:04:32 GMT

As with most things in photography there is no right or wrong just what you are good with. There are some things I am unwilling to do or use and a 2x tel-con is one no matter the processing ability of editors.