topic Re: Help? USM vs USM II in EF & RF Lenses

Help? EF100-400/4.5-5.6 L II IS, USM vs USM II

WorldFilm13 — Fri, 01 Dec 2023 03:23:07 GMT

I feel dumb but cannot tell if a lens I have is USM or USM II. I know they didn't print the "II" on the lens so how do I know?! Thanks, as I eat my humble pie.

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

normadel — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:03:48 GMT

What is the full name of the lens?

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

WorldFilm13 — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:21:25 GMT

B&H just got me the answer. If the "L" on the lens is red, it is USM II.

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

deebatman316 — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:05:39 GMT

But what is the Full name of the lens. Canon has made multiple lenses with a version II. Not just "L" series lenses so please check. If you don't already know Canon's naming convention its below.

EOS: Electro Optical System (What EOS stands for)
EF: Electronic Focus: lens mount ALL EOS DSLRs & Film SLRs use (original EOS Mount) (Red Circle Mounting Index, 12 o’clock position)
EF-S: A separate lens Mount designed for APS-C DSLRs NOT compatible and won’t mount to any Full Frame Digital, 35mm Film SLRs or APS-H DSLRs. Note this is a DSLR Crop Sensor ONLY Mount. (White Square Mounting Index, 1 o’clock position)
EF-M: Lens Mount for EOS-M series Mirrorless cameras. Incompatible with DSLRs or EOS Film SLRs & EOS R series. (White Circle Mounting Index, 11 o’clock position) (2012-2023, discontinued).
RF: Lens Mount for EOS R series Mirrorless cameras. Incompatible with EOS DSLRs, EOS M series mirrorless cameras or EOS Film SLRs. (Red Oval Mounting Index, 12 o’clock position)
RF-S: Lens is optimized for EOS R series APS-C cameras. Can be used on EOS R series Full Frame cameras but the image is cropped to the APS-C image circle. Note this is NOT a separate lens mount.
L: Canon's professional grade lenses only available in Full Frame lenses NO APS-C lenses.
DO: Diffractive Optics uses Fresnel lenses
I, II, III, IV, V: Some lenses have multiple revisions such as the EF 28-80 F/3.5-5.6 V USM (ONLY lens to have a Version V)
Ring Type USM: AF motor type. Provides fast focusing stands for Ultrasonic Motor. Ring Type USM is the original USM AF motor. Shaped like a ring inside the lens. Allows Full Time Manual Focus either Focus by Wire or mechanical.
Micro Motor USM: Cheaper and slower AF Motor doesn't allow Full Time Manual Focus. Lens uses gears to adjust focus. EXCEPT for the EF 50mm F/1.4 USM lens (refer to Ring Type USM Mechanical Focus override). (1993-2016, replaced by Nano USM)
Nano USM: Combines STM and USM technology for fast AF. Allows Full Time Manual Focus is Focus by wire. (2016- Present)
STM: Stepper Motor for quiet AF. Allows Full Time Manual Focus which is Focus by Wire. RF10-20mm F4L IS STM (First L series lens to use an STM AF Motor)(2012- Present)
AFD: Arc-Form Drive original EOS AF motor. No longer in use was replaced by Micro Motor in 1993 for new lens designs. No Full Time Manual Focus (Retired 1987-1992)
Micro Motor: Older least advanced AF motor slower AF used in cheaper lenses. No Full Time Manual Focus. (Retired, 1993-2012) Replaced by STM in 2012.
IS: Image Stabilization available in the lens.
IBIS: In Body Image Stabilization available in select EOS R Series cameras.
Macro: A macro lens with 1:1 magnification
Compact Macro: Lens is able to focus closer than a normal macro lens.
MP-E: Manual Focus only electronic aperture control no focus to infinity.
TS-E: Tilt Shift lens with electronic aperture control no Autofocus.
Soft Focus: Lens is designed to provide a creamy bokeh effect.
PZ: Power Zoom lens. Only 1 lens released with this feature. Only the EF 35-80mm F/4-5.6 PZ lens used this.
TTL: Through The Lens Flash metering. Flash system relies on light reflected off the film. NOT compatible with EOS Digital cameras.
A-TTL: Advanced Through The Lens Flash metering system in EOS film bodies released in 1986. Replaced by E-TTL in 1995. System uses a pre-flash measured by a sensor on the speedlite itself. NOT compatible with EOS Digital cameras. Uses EZ series speedlites
E-TTL Version 1: Evaluative Through The lens Flash metering system. System uses a pre-flash measured by the camera body to calculate flash exposure. System also relies on AF point selection too. Compatible with EX or EL series speedlites. Replaced by E-TTL II in 2004.
E-TTL II: Refer to E-TTL Version 1. System was released in 2004 and works similarly to the original E-TTL. But uses focus distance information from the lens. Via a distance encoder in the lens. E-TTL II doesn't rely on AF point selection. Note E-TTL II is IMPLEMENTED in the camera body NOT the speedlite.
EOS M Series: A discontinued APS-C mirrorless lineup of cameras (2012-2023). Replaced by EOS R Series APS-C cameras in 2023. EF-M lenses CAN NOT BE ADAPTED to EOS R cameras.
EOS R Series: Originally released in 2018 with Full Frame cameras only. Later in 2023 with APS-C cameras. New APS-C lenses were released.
Z: Lens has an optional attachment to allow power zoom. Only the RF 24-105mm F/2.8L IS USM Z lens has this feature.
Automatic Brightness Adjustment of LED AF Assist Beam: Feature IS NOT SUPPORTED on the R3, R7 & R10 camera bodies.

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

MikeSowsun — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 01:34:46 GMT

Please tell us which lens you are asking about.

B&H is wrong. There is no such thing as “USM II”. The “II” just means the lens is the second version of a lens. It doesn’t matter whether or not it has USM, or if it is an L lens. If your lens doesn’t have “II” on it, it is the first version of that lens.

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

normadel — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 02:19:52 GMT

There are obviously lenses with II in their names. But that is not the USM or STM or whatever version. It is the version designation after the first version of the lens, which has no II.

Let's see if WorldFilm13 tells us what lens she/he has.

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

WorldFilm13 — Fri, 01 Dec 2023 02:29:03 GMT

Hey all,

Thank you for your thoughts and help! Good people here. OK, so the lens I have is:

100-400/4.5-5.6 L II IS USM

Now, I wasn't sure if it was the I or the II. Canon's support page lists that when they came out with the II they did not print "II" on the lens. That may be wrong, but was on their own page (a Canadian page I found). B&H could also be wrong, of course. B&H said that when the II came out Canon printed the "L" in red. That was what I was saying. Seems crazy to think they would change the color of one letter instead of printing "II" on it, but I have no way to know. Wouldn't be the first time a company did something a bit obscure. 🙂

- Ramsey

Re: Help? EF100-400/4.5-5.6 L II IS, USM vs USM II

MikeSowsun — Fri, 01 Dec 2023 03:35:43 GMT

I’m not convinced you really know which version you have because you are still telling us information that is incorrect.

Both versions have a red L. They didn’t change the color of the L, and all version 2 lenses will have “II” printed on the lens.

All version 1 lenses look like this…….

All version 2 lenses look like this……

Re: Help? USM vs USM II

johnrmoyer — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 14:26:19 GMT

If your camera has an "info" button, then your camera might show the name of the lens on its screen when you view the images in the camera on the camera itself. Check the manual for your camera to see what information might be reported about a camera.

If you load a raw image made with your camera and lens into the free to download Canon DPP software, it will show you the name of the lens that was on the camera for Canon lenses. Many JPG images will also work.

The exiftool program will show you the name the lens itself reports to the camera if the lens has electronics and is new enough. "exiftool -lensmodel IMG_1234.CR2" for example. For some older lenses which did not send their name to the camera, "exiftool -lensID IMG_1234.CR2" will guess what lens it is based upon a number the camera puts into the metadata and it is usually correct, but may be wrong if two different lenses use the same number. There is also a "RFlensID" tag that exiftool can read, but I do not have any RF lenses and do not know what it reports.

Apple Photos.app can show you the lens model from a JPG file produced by your camera if no other software has removed it.

https://exiftool.org/

Re: Help? EF100-400/4.5-5.6 L II IS, USM vs USM II

Waddizzle — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 14:36:37 GMT

The zoom rings on the original EF 100-400mm and the Mark II operate very differently.

The Mark II version uses a conventional zoom ring, which you rotate. The older, original version of the lens does not use a conventional zoom ring. Instead, it uses a push/pull mechanism, which changes the length of the lens.

Re: Help? EF100-400/4.5-5.6 L II IS, USM vs USM II

WorldFilm13 — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 16:06:13 GMT

Great insights! Thanks everyone. It's funny, the lens I have has a conventional zoom, but does not have the II printed on it. So... sort of walks the lines of both most recent answers. I no longer have a camera on which I can mount this either to pull metadata, but that was a great idea that didn't occur to me. It's okay, it would have helped in selling it to know, but I'm comfortable with this remaining a bit of a mystery. Mysteries make the world a bit more interesting 🙂

Really appreciate all of you,

WorldFilm13

Re: Help? EF100-400/4.5-5.6 L II IS, USM vs USM II

shadowsports — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 16:11:53 GMT

And still no image? Take pictures of the lens, front, side, various angles and we'll identify it for you.

Its only a mystery because you won't help us help you.