topic Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera in EF & RF Lenses

17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 14:40:22 GMT

I just purchased a "like new" R5 body and A "like new" Canon 17 mm Tilt shift lens. (this is my only body and my only lens so far)

The control ring on the camera will not operate the aperture on the lens. The setting on the camera reads f00 in manual mode.

Setting had been made to allow shutter to operate without lens attached (needed for a manual lens)

The adaptor is made by JJC (not Canon).

This combination (except for the adaptor) is used by many architectural photographers so I believe the cameral and lens should communicate.

Though the equipment was purchased used on ebay, I believe both sellers were original owners.

Can anyone direct me on this?

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

rs-eos — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 14:45:30 GMT

I would return the items. You have no idea what the actual status of that gear would be.

If you intend on keeping it, look at picking up a Canon EF to RF adapter instead of using a third-party adapter.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

shadowsports — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 14:54:57 GMT

Greetings,

If you haven't reset the camera's Main and Custom settings, start there. Next ensure the contacts on both the camera and lens are clean and not damaged.

Now you will need to rule out the adapter, lens or body. You can test with another lens, body and adapter to start ruling things out. There is not really another way to do this without having at least 1 known good / working hardware configuration to start. f00 means the lens is not communicating with the camera, or is malfunctioning. Visit a local photography store or repair shop (not sure where you are located) for help.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 15:15:39 GMT

I have a canon adaptor ordered so planning to start there.

Thanks for the reply!

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 15:18:01 GMT

Yes I need to begin checking off these boxes and cross checking various parts with other known points of reference. I have a new rf lens and a new canon adaptor ordered so I'll start there.

Thanks for your reply.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

kvbarkley — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 15:18:02 GMT

"Setting had been made to allow shutter to operate without lens attached (needed for a manual lens)"

Are you doing this as a troubleshooting step or because of the adapter?

If you are in this mode, there is no way to control the lens from the camera. I suggest you get the Canon adapter.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 17:02:35 GMT

Yes that makes sense. I disabled that setting just now but the aperture reading remains f00.

the focus peaking feature is working and the camera displays blue or red optics around features that are in focus. That seems to indicate that the camera and lens are communicating doesn't it?

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

kvbarkley — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 17:35:24 GMT

"That seems to indicate that the camera and lens are communicating doesn't it?"

No. In Auto-Focus the camera determines whether the image is in focus and vectors (Yay for phase detect!) the lens to improve the focus. Focus peaking and confirmation work just fine in manual focus with no lens communication.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 21:16:46 GMT

I just received a second ef lens (this one brand new and made by canon - 50 mm, f1.8) and it worked on the first try. Aperture was able to be controlled. Then after taking it off and placing it back on, it too has begun giving an aperture of f00. And also, the lens cannot be focused on manual or auto.

So it looks like the same problem on a different lens - I am starting to rule out the lens as the problem. But it is now looking like either the camera or the adaptor - I'm hoping it's the later - will see when the new Canon adaptor arrives.

Again - Thanks for you suggestion.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

deebatman316 — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 22:21:53 GMT

The Canon TS-E 14mm F/4 lens has electronic contacts and has electronic aperture control just like other EF lenses. It just doesn't support AF like other EF lenses. The camera should give focus confirmation with all TS-E lenses and the MP-E 65mm manual focus macro lens.

-Demetrius

Current Gear: EOS 5D Mark IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM, EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM, 430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

Retired Gear: EOS 40D, Sigma 17-50mm F/2.8 EX DC OS HSM & EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

deebatman316 — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 22:27:14 GMT

Are you by chance using the Canon EF 50mm F/1.8 STM if so that lens uses an Electronic Focus Ring. Make sure Manual Focus After One Shot/ Lens Electronic Manual Focus is Enabled. IF NOT the electronic focus ring WILL NOT WORK.

-Demetrius

Current Gear: EOS 5D Mark IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM, EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM, 430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

Retired Gear: EOS 40D, Sigma 17-50mm F/2.8 EX DC OS HSM & EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

shadowsports — Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:16:30 GMT

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Hoping its your adapter

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:57:47 GMT

I appreciate your response to my predicament.

As it turned out, the problem was with the JJC adaptor. I received a canon adaptor today and everything works perfectly. There are several non-branded adaptor being sold and some have positive reviews (as did the one I bought) I am certainly going to exercise caution for future purchases.

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

amfoto1 — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 19:01:43 GMT

Since you have had the same problem with two different EF lenses adapted for use on the RF mount camera, I would suspect the adapter itself is at fault. It's possible it has a short in the electronic connections, for example. Try a different adapter.

If I were working with a 17mm TS-E lens, I'd want one of the adapters that can accommodate drop in filters, because that lens cannot be fitted with standard filters.

Canon offers a drop-in adapter with choice of C-Pol or Variable ND filter. A clear filter for it is sold separately and is necessary in order to use the adapter without any filtration. You also can buy the C-Pol filter alone, if you got the adapter with the Vari ND... or vice versa.

There are 3rd party alternatives too. Kolari, Meike and Breakthrough are three brands that come to mind.

Meike's adapter is offered with a Vari ND and includes a clear filter as well. C-Pol and a dozen other types of special effects filters are available for it. Reviews are quite favorable.

Kolari offers more combinations and an even wider array of special effects filters.

Breakthrough Photography claims to have the widest selection of all. They have fewer special effects and more fixed strength ND filters, as well as some specialized for black & white, etc. Breakthrough also offers two different price/quality levels: more affordable "2X" and more premium "4X". There are differences in the glass and in the multi-coatings on the two different grades of filters.

AFAIK none of these drop-in filter systems are interchangeable.

There are other lenses where a drop-in adapter would be very helpful, such as Canon and other 14mm lenses, Canon EF 11-24mm, Sigma's 12-24mm in EF mount, etc.

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Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 19:28:36 GMT

Thanks for the references. I was thinking I would buy the Canon adaptor with the drop ins. But given I had 3 new pieces of equipment that were not communicating, I opted to buy the less expensive adaptor during the trouble shooting phase. Now that it was determined that the JJC adaptor was the culprit and that the R5 and the lens do in fact communicate, I still need a way to install filters on the TS lens.

I may just return the basic Canon adaptor for the filter adaptor.

Many Thanks!

Re: 17mm ts-e f/4 l lens Aperture Control on R5 Camera

Archimagine — Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:03:45 GMT

I managed to purchase the EF/Rf adaptor with the CP filter. I ended up keeping both the filter adaptor and the basic adaptor.