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are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Supriyo — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 07:21:33 GMT

are you guys stop producing Canon Eos ef-m system
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are you guys will stop producing Canon ef-m system?

Supriyo — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 07:27:14 GMT

are you guys will stop producing Canon Eos ef-m system There Are some Rumours about it. My massage is don't quite it we have investments in this!!!!!

My current device is Canon M50 mark ii
also bring a adapter to use the RF lense on EF-m mount

Re: are you guys will stop producing Canon ef-m system?

Tronhard — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 12:14:03 GMT

Canon have been non-commital on the future of the EF-M mount. They apparently recently suggested that, because of its popularity, they would continue to selll EF-M models. I suspect there will be no further development of the series.

As to adapters: that is almost certainly not on the cards. The EF-M and RF lenses are physically incompatible. Frankly, there is no commercial reason for them to do so either.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

ebiggs1 — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:06:18 GMT

The M series is done don't be fooled. It never was a great idea especially with the very good Powershot series out there. A Powershot on steroids!

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Tronhard — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:40:09 GMT

On June 28, 2021, Go Tokura, Chief Executive, Image Communication Business Operations at Canon in an interview with Barney Britton of DPReview the following interchange took place:

"What market are you hoping to attract in the long-term with your EOS M range of cameras?

EOS M series cameras are popular with users who prefer compact and lightweight models. Many professional and enthusiast photographers use them as sub cameras. We will continue to promote the EOS M-series cameras as a means of meeting diverse needs. "
Canon interview: 'Development of compact devices supporting 8K is a very high priority': Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

Thus, it would seem that Canon will hold the line, but likely not further develop the range and let time eat away at the market share. As he intimated, Canon are still making good revenue from the range and they are not going to kill the fatted calf when the overall business is challenged for market share.

Certainly, I would not recommend starting to invest in the M-series unless one has a very specific need for what it offers. However, if one has an investment in M-series gear already and needs a replacement, then there is an argument to consider getting that instead of paying to change platforms. A lot of the M-series users have no need or desire to upgrade to the larger and more expensive R-series, or the DSLR market. That is particularly true in Asian countries where, according to their market share charts, Canon make the majority of M-series sales.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Supriyo — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:03:27 GMT

Dear sir

Atlist create an adupter for the rf lenses

Besides not everyone has the ability to buy the rf camera or lense you guys should create more lense options on efm mount

Don't stop it just keep improvise it same as rf cameras

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Tronhard — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:38:34 GMT

There is no physical possibility to create and EF-M to RF lens adapter or the reverse, and Canon have no incentive to do so. You are flogging a dead horse. If you want better optics for your M-series bodies, I would suggest getting the EF to EF-M adapter. There are some brilliant EF and EF-S lenses that will work with your M-series body.

What precisely is the issue with the EF-M lenses you have? What are you shooting and trying to produce?

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Waddizzle — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:38:55 GMT

@Tronhard wrote:
There is no physical possibility to create and EF-M to RF lens adapter, and Canon have no incentive to do so.

It is possible if the adapter included optics, which is NOT a good thing.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Tronhard — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 23:45:35 GMT

Actually, if you include the full quote, you get my full message:

"There is no physical possibility to create and EF-M to RF lens adapter or the reverse, and Canon have no incentive to do so": given that one of the main benefits of the RF lens model is the increased number of contacts on the lens and body to control the lens and provide an interface for OS and IBIS, and for other lens controls like the control ring. Since those contacts are not available on EF, EF-S and EF-M bodies it would cripple an RF optic if someone did create an adapter.
Canon would not put the effort into creating something that undermined the gear and there is no commercial reason to do so either.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

ebiggs1 — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 14:10:07 GMT

Personally I have not and do not know or have known anybody that owns an M series anything. I know a lot of photographers. I know a lot of people. The M series is a dead end in the US. It was from its beginning.

I have no idea how well it might do in Asia, though.

The question is, why, when there are so many great Powershot models to choose form.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Tronhard — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:26:00 GMT

Ernie, with all due respect to you, these discussions are not always about who we know or what we know personally, as we have touched on before. It's about looking outside our own immediate experience and doing valid research - which I embrace and, (according to your own statements) you seem not to trust, despite the fact that your parents were academics and must have been engaged in research, both to seek information and contribute to it - it's a demand of the profession.

Like almost everyone, you and I live in communities of like minds - the old adage of 'birds of a feather' is true enough. Certainly as reasonably competent stills photographers, we are likely to be around folks who shoot with a gear from a particular market space, but there are many other populations out there. Most of the people I shoot stills with use other cameras and other systems from the M series, but when I attend the university I see a constituency of students who (when not using cell phones) have M-series gear, especially for vlogging. They are expected to produce multi-media submissions as part of their courses and the M-series seems to be quite popular in that context. Actually, you do know of someone who has, and uses, M-series gear: me! I have 1 x M, and 3 x M5 units along with all the M-series lenses except for the 28mm macro - they are great when I am going on multi-day hikes or when I want to be unobtrusive - such as social occasions or street photography. Here are some of the images that this gear is capable of capturing: sadly the images are seriously reduced in resolution to post, but they give you a clue.

M5, EF-M 22mm, f/2.2, 1/80sec, ISO-800M5, EF-M 18-150@28mm, f/7.1, 1/1600sec, ISO-250

When I went on my last hike with my late wife, I took along a couple of M5's and shot almost exclusively with them. I then created a diary of that event HERE and the M-series gear fulfilled my purposes well.

There are people in North America who buy this gear. Heavens, on this site alone, we get enough posts from (usually) vloggers or other videographers who have issues with their M-series gear to give a clue to that.

However, Canon sells M gear around the world and if you do the research, you will find out that the Asian market is massive in that market space, and there are a lot more people in Asia/Pacific (at around 4.67 billion) than North America and, for that matter, the rest of the world combined. In the end Canon are looking far past our own personal experience and localities.

I have no doubt that the M-series will be allowed to age and die, but I accept the statements by a senior member of Canon's management when they say they have a market and will continue to support it as long as it is viable.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

ebiggs1 — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 13:58:57 GMT

Trevor you may not like it since our opinions seem to be different. But just because they are different than what you believe does not make either invalid. This is a mistake a lot of people make as they get caught up in their own this is what I think so, "it must be right belief". The paths people take lead them to different places. You seem to dwell a lot on the work of others which is neither good not bad but I dwell on my own work.

Posting nice photos doesn't prove M Series viability. It does however let your talents shine. All digital cameras are capable of glorious shots. An iphone is capable. A Powershot is capable. Has nothing to do with the M Series being a dead end which is certainly is just as the DSLR is.

"Actually, you do know of someone who has, and uses, M-series gear: me! "

My statement was to mean physical people that are in the circle I run with. Of course there are a couple of inner web "friends" that have whatever gear but not being able to be in close contact and interaction in the field doesn't count. It is one reason I don't do or read or like reviews. No saying it's you but who knows what they do when the computer is off?

You need to expand your tolerance level my friend. There are going to be M Series lovers and M Series, well let's say not so enthusiastic "lovers". Just like almost every other subject, object or topic you can think of.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Tronhard — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 22:35:34 GMT

I'm sorry Ernie, but I think your response is the pot calling the cattle black. We have different approaches to how we both base our information. I rely on not only my own experience, but do the best research I can to give that opinion backup. I at least try to be a bit collegial in that difference in approach. You apparently rely on your experience above that of all others and make some quite sweeping statements - in this case about the viability of the M market. I don't claim such knowledge on a personal basis, so I seek to back up my submissions with information from sources that I believe are authoritative and unbiased.

I see you have altered your original post to try to mitigate some of those statements, - your original post did not limit your comment to the US market, nor did you mention the Asia market.

As regards the use of PowerShot cameras instead of the M-series. The vast majority of PS cameras have quite small sensors and fixed zoom lenses. There is only one APS-C PS camera that I am aware of the G1XMkIII with the 24-72mm Equivalent lens, the rest are 1" or smaller - that is not likely to be attractive to those gravitating to the M-series that has APS-C sensors. The fact that users can use small, compact interchangeable lenses is another benefit of the M-series: the EF-M 22, 35 and 11-22mm lenses have been widely praised, while a lot of vloggers seem to buy into the M50II with the 15-45 lens range, and for general use the 18-150mm lenses: something that is being replicated in the new R-series APS-C kit lenses. It's a fair bet that these lens selections are there for good reason. Where the M-series has arguably fallen short is in the long telephoto range: the longest lens being 55-200mm. Still, since the attraction seems to be lightness and compactness, and the feedback I have seen and experienced is that those who use it are looking for general-purpose, rather than specifically long lenses for travel and general shooting, it seems Canon decided that those who want a long reach can use EF glass via an adapter.

BTW, the reason I include photos is to demonstrate that these cameras are absolutely capable of taking acceptable shots in different situations with a range of native glass - if I can do it so can others. Still, I suspect I cannot demonstrate the main use of these units - as hybrid vlogging units.

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Waddizzle — Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:01:02 GMT

“Atlist create an adupter for the rf lenses”

My reply was directed at your response to this comment..

Re: are you guys stop producing Canon efm system

Tronhard — Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:16:14 GMT

Hi Bill;
I continue to be challenged by who replied to whom on this new interface. I thought you were responding to a part of my comment, which made it slightly different to what I intended. I never thought that Canon would create an adapter using optics to make the EF-M lenses work with Rf mounts or others to go the other way. To me, the systems are separate and intended to remain so.

The fact that Canon have created RF-S camera bodies and a couple of RF-S lenses that happen to exactly match focal lengths of the popular ones for the M-mount suggests that they are preparing to entice M-mount users to evolve to the R bodies and RF-S lenses over time. I see no reason why they would invest time, effort and money to undermine that with special adapters. In the meantime they continue to sell M-series bodies and lenses as long as it makes the money.

Does that seem reasonable to you?