topic Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring in EF & RF Lenses

100-400 mk I tightness ring

Tsleel2811 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:24:38 GMT

Does anyone know if the **bleep** tightness ring can be moved without turning the focus too? Whoever designed this lens should be taken into a dark room and beaten

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

cicopo — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:04:46 GMT

You loosen the tension ring by grasping it & the part diectly above it. Loosen until the barrel slides freely or with some drag (to your liking) & then leave it alone. Zoom in & out using the push / pull motion and let the AF do the rest.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

ebiggs1 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:54:12 GMT

"Whoever designed this lens should be taken into a dark room and beaten"

WHOA ! Sounds like someone is having a bad day. In its worst function ability it isn't that bad. The design is well proven and some prefer it over other types. I never had a moment of trouble with mine and I doubt cicopo has either.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Tsleel2811 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:58:08 GMT

I'm having a pretty hard day with this lens. I can't use auto focus at f8. And I definitely can't auto focus on the sun. But I appreciate the input. I just thought there's a way to loosen and tighten without going out of focus. It's kinda pissing me off. Sorry if I seem mad or something. It's aggravating

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Tsleel2811 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 21:00:00 GMT

The functionality is not the problem. It's a great lens. Just going out of focus is a sensitive issue this close to the eclipse. I cant refocus easily if it goes out of focus all the time.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Waddizzle — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 21:07:00 GMT

@Tsleel2811 wrote:
The functionality is not the problem. It's a great lens. Just going out of focus is a sensitive issue this close to the eclipse. I cant refocus easily if it goes out of focus all the time.

It is probably to too late to order one, but they sell rubber sleeves that go over lenses to minimize lens creep. Maybe you could improvise something. It may not necessarily need to made out of rubber

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

TCampbell — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 21:22:56 GMT

@Tsleel2811 wrote:
I'm having a pretty hard day with this lens. I can't use auto focus at f8. And I definitely can't auto focus on the sun. But I appreciate the input. I just thought there's a way to loosen and tighten without going out of focus. It's kinda pissing me off. Sorry if I seem mad or something. It's aggravating

It sounds like you might be trying to use the camera to photograph the eclipse.

I'm hoping you have a solar filter for you lens (ND 5.0 is the most common but there are ND 4.0 and even some "18 stop" (which works out to ND 6.3). You'll need one of those.

Also, exposures on the sun are _always_ done with manual focus and manual exposure (don't use automatic anything). This is normal -- it wouldn't matter what camera you owned.

As for the lens, the tension ring is for the zoom... not the focus. But if you change the zoom you will ALSO change the focus because the lens is not 'parfocal' (extremely few DSLR lenses are... 'parfocal' means that once you focus on a subject, you can zoom to another focal length and that original subject will still be focused. ). This is normal and nothing to worry about (it's not a defect.)

If you want to avoid bumping the focus ring.. a few rubber bands usually do the trick. You can buy commercially made rubber bands designed just for this job... but any wide rubber band of appropriate size will work. Put the rubber band on the lens so that part of it is on the focus ring and part on the non-moving part of the lens barrel. This will make it harder (but not impossible) to shift focus... but each time you add another rubber band, you'll increase the tension. Usually two rubber bands is enough... but you could do three.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Tsleel2811 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:14:28 GMT

I appreciate it alot but none of those are my problem. My problem is as follows: when the lens it at 100mm it's when I'm carrying it in my bag. I'm going to focus on the moon a few days prior to the eclipse. So when I focus on the moon the lens is at 400. I have to tighten and loosen the tension ring accordingly. And that in turn takes me in and out of focus. I'm not saying it's a defect I'm just trying to find a way to able to keep the focus. I think I'll just mark it with a marker. Because none of the tips seem to be good ones for my need. Especially the rubber band. But I appreciate the input. And yes I'm using a solar filter and manual everything

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Tsleel2811 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:15:10 GMT

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

kvbarkley — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:31:31 GMT

I am not sure if you can. Do you have it in manual focus mode?

I for one, would not trust a lens to stay in focus under those circumstances. AT the very least you have a problem with the temperture of the lens changing the infinity focus point, which is why Canon has a "bar" for infinity focus and not a point.

It might be best to just use the distance scale to set a hyperfocal point.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Waddizzle — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:11:33 GMT

@Tsleel2811 wrote:
I appreciate it alot but none of those are my problem. My problem is as follows: when the lens it at 100mm it's when I'm carrying it in my bag. I'm going to focus on the moon a few days prior to the eclipse. So when I focus on the moon the lens is at 400. I have to tighten and loosen the tension ring accordingly. And that in turn takes me in and out of focus. I'm not saying it's a defect I'm just trying to find a way to able to keep the focus. I think I'll just mark it with a marker. Because none of the tips seem to be good ones for my need. Especially the rubber band. But I appreciate the input. And yes I'm using a solar filter and manual everything

Attempting to pre-focus your lens days in advance is an exercise in futility, IMHO. Why? Because of small differences in focusing as the temperature of the lens changes.

You're focusing on he Moon at night, but plan on shooting the eclipse in the middle of a summer day. A fair guess says that is at least a 10 degree difference, and it could be significantly more.

Practicing with the Moon is worthwhile. It will get you in the ballpark of where your focus could be. But, do not look at it as a fixed setting. Your focus at midnight can vary slightly from the focus at high noon, just enough to make your photos a little soft.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

RobertTheFat — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:20:01 GMT

I'm going to be a bit of a contrarian here. The main reason for not using auto-focus for objects at infinity is that there's apt to be very little contrast. Common examples are seascapes and the night sky. But the partial phase of a solar eclipse is about as high-contrast an object as you'll ever see. So I'd think that one could use AF and not have to worry about presetting it.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Tsleel2811 — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:13:11 GMT

I'm not going to use auto focus. This is the whole reason for the discussion that the tightness ring moves the lens out of focus when manually setting focus. Just FYI auto focus doesn't work with a solar filter. So it needs to be manual

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

Waddizzle — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:50:24 GMT

@Tsleel2811 wrote:
I'm not going to use auto focus. This is the whole reason for the discussion that the tightness ring moves the lens out of focus when manually setting focus. Just FYI auto focus doesn't work with a solar filter. So it needs to be manual

Your focus is likely to drift over the course of a few hours because the temperature of the lens will most likely change. You will need to find a way to check it as the hours pass. If you expect to "set it, and forget it" you are mistaken. I made that mistake with the lunar eclipse last year.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

kvbarkley — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:19:58 GMT

Worked fine on my camera several years ago with the Sigma 500mm.

I used manual focus yesterday, and it was fine. The problem I had was the rapidly changing cloud conditions, when behind a cloud I had to take the filter off, and then a few moments later had to put it back on again, argghh!

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:03:55 GMT

Xume magnetic filter system.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

kvbarkley — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:06:44 GMT

I don't think that will work with my thousand oaks optical solar filter, but since I only use it every few years, I can live with the hassle.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:10:48 GMT

My TO filter was threaded 77mm.

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

kvbarkley — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:22:28 GMT

Mine fits over the lens/ lens hood and attaches with threaded screws or masking tape!

Re: 100-400 mk I tightness ring

TCampbell — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:23:10 GMT

Atmospheric conditions (what astronomers refer to as "seeing conditions") will also affect your ability to achieve good focus on celestial objects.

The other day, I used my camera with the same Canon 100-400mm Mk II lens to shoot some pre-eclipse test shots of the Sun and managed to get tack-sharp sunspots without too much fuss. On the morning of the eclipse, seeing conditions had degraded. The sky was clear, but the upper atmosphere was less stable. This tends to blur the image somewhat. The best I could do (after fussing for an extremely long period of time) was probably good enough as long as nobody did any pixel peeping... but not anywhere near what I had done a few days before (with the same gear). There's nothing you can do about "seeing" conditions other than choose a different time to shoot or move to a better location (if you're within roughly 200 miles of either (1) a warm-front, (2) a cold-front, or (3) the jet stream, then you'll likely have below average "seeing" conditions.)

Temperature swings are a real thing (and part of why Canon's big lenses are "white"). In astronomy, you can buy a device for the telescope (typically purchased only by those who do hard-core astrophotography) called a temperature-compensating focuser. You have to calibrate it at several different temperatures and it learns your optical tube's expansion & contraction properties at various temperatures. From there, as the temperature changes over the hours, it is silently tweaking focus to keep things tack-sharp. Most imagers don't use such a device ... but they do have to re-check focus every hour or so and update it.

You can also get telescopes with carbon fiber optical tubes. Unlike most uses of carbon fiber where it's chosen as a material to save weight... astronomers choose it because it doesn't expand & contract as the temperature changes. Basically focus will be good all night long regardless of how much the temperature changes.