topic Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ? in EF & RF Lenses

can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:00:02 GMT

I have canon 80d and lens EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM, when I need to reduce the F to F22, the light will be very low or dim especially in the video mode, So in this case, I must increase the iso to about 12000 , but the last value would produce the video with very noise. so with my lens, I can not definitely use the value of F22 which is very useful in some case to reduce or get rid of Blur for the background of things, so please recommend me? I Need your help please.

see my video below to understand me completely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIrbgpwLWpQ

also see this following article which is explain why I need to get iso about 400

https://www.exposureguide.com/exposure/

[Mod note: Please do not post in bold or a large font. This can be seen as yelling or rude behavior.]

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

Waddizzle — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:15:28 GMT

Shooting with an f/22 aperture may require that you use very high ISO settings. That’s how it works. You have to give up something to gain something.

I suggest that you take the time to learn more about basic photography, so that you can gain insight into your video settings. You should do a web search for articles about “ exposure triangle “ and “ depth of field “. The Canon DLC, Digital Learning Center, is a good place to start.

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/galleries/galleries/tutorials/eos101_cll.shtml

That is a link to the first of a series of short videos about basic photography. Hope this helps.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:31:57 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
Shooting with an f/22 aperture may require that you use very high ISO settings. That’s how it works. You have to give up something to gain something.

I suggest that you take the time to learn more about basic photography, so that you can gain insight into your video settings. You should do a web search for articles about “ exposure triangle “ and “ depth of field “. The Canon DLC, Digital Learning Center, is a good place to start.

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/galleries/galleries/tutorials/eos101_cll.shtml

That is a link to the first of a series of short videos about basic photography. Hope this helps.

I am very thank you for your response to my inquiry, I know about the link before, also I have a good information about Aperture and iso .and also the exposure triangle “ and “ depth of field as the following links:

https://www.exposureguide.com/exposure/

and :

https://www.exposureguide.com/iso-sensitivity/

But I have seen some videos they increase the F value to F22 without a big dim of footage. So, I can not use iso 800 and just F=F11 without the darkness of the footage. so I hope to image that F=F11 the recorded videos will be very dim, and when I enforce to increase the ISO to 7000, the noise will be very obvious.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

Waddizzle — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:57:19 GMT

Good. If you understand the basics, then you will understand my suggestion that you invest in video lights. Many people use them.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

RobertTheFat — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:07:38 GMT

@srmdnadem wrote:
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[Mod note: Please do not post in bold or a large font. This can be seen as yelling or rude behavior.]

Forgive me for having to point this out, Stephen, but it can also be seen as an indicator that not everybody in this forum has 20/20 vision - and of the fact that a) the forum's default font size is quite small, and b) unless the poster thought to change the "font family", postings do not respond to the browser's "text size" setting. (Do you, by any chance, have enough clout to get that changed?)

I hope to have a cataract operation on my bad eye sometime this winter. But my wife, having already scheduled hers, has first preference. If we have them at the same time, we have no one to drive us around.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

Stephen — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:17:36 GMT

Hi Bob,

Usually, if eyesight is an issue, one would change the overall settings in the OS' accessibility options to compensate for their malady, rather than subject everyone else to what can be seen as a netiquette issue. If all else fails, "Control and +" always does the trick for me when I need to zoom in on something.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:18:30 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
Good. If you understand the basics, then you will understand my suggestion that you invest in video lights. Many people use them.

if you have any instruction and values that may use it in my camera and reach to get more thought, I will love it, do you have it, please?

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

Waddizzle — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:43:43 GMT

@srmdnadem wrote:

@Waddizzle wrote:
Good. If you understand the basics, then you will understand my suggestion that you invest in video lights. Many people use them.
if you have any instruction and values that may use it in my camera and reach to get more thought, I will love it, do you have it, please?

I can offer no recommendations for specific products. Everyone has different needs.

You should seek the advice of a reputable vendor that sells video gear. I have had good results with B&H Photo Video in NYC with their advice for photo accessories. They have experts in various topics related to shooting video. Most of their online experts work for equipment manufacturers.

You need sufficient light to drop your ISO several stops. You will likely need more than one to avoid hard shadows. Do not be alarmed if the recommend four, either.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 18:56:23 GMT

"Hi Bob,

I agree. Do not use all caps. It has an established inference.

Robert I hope the cataracts surgery will fix the problem and all is well.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

RobertTheFat — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:49:44 GMT

ebiggs1 wrote:
"Hi Bob,
Usually, if eyesight is an issue, one would change the overall settings in the OS' accessibility options to compensate for their malady, rather than subject everyone else to what can be seen as a netiquette issue. If all else fails, "Control and +" always does the trick for me when I need to zoom in on something."

I agree. Do not use all caps. It has an established inference.

Robert I hope the cataracts surgery will fix the problem and all is well.

Thanks, Ernie.

But I wasn't defending the use of all caps. Stephen's injunction was against using boldface or a larger font size, neither of which I see as falling into the same category as all caps.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:59:21 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
@srmdnadem wrote:

@Waddizzle wrote:
Good. If you understand the basics, then you will understand my suggestion that you invest in video lights. Many people use them.
if you have any instruction and values that may use it in my camera and reach to get more thought, I will love it, do you have it, please?
I can offer no recommendations for specific products. Everyone has different needs.

You should seek the advice of a reputable vendor that sells video gear. I have had good results with B&H Photo Video in NYC with their advice for photo accessories. They have experts in various topics related to shooting video. Most of their online experts work for equipment manufacturers.

You need sufficient light to drop your ISO several stops. You will likely need more than one to avoid hard shadows. Do not be alarmed if the recommend four, either.

thank you advance from my heart. I will accept your response as a solution

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

kvbarkley — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:11:50 GMT

This is a common video problem, you need a neutral density filter.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

Waddizzle — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 20:35:54 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
This is a common video problem, you need a neutral density filter.

How would an ND filter help? There is not enough light.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

kvbarkley — Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:52:24 GMT

He hasn't told us *why* he needs f/22.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 00:14:01 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
@srmdnadem wrote:

@Waddizzle wrote:
Good. If you understand the basics, then you will understand my suggestion that you invest in video lights. Many people use them.
if you have any instruction and values that may use it in my camera and reach to get more thought, I will love it, do you have it, please?
I can offer no recommendations for specific products. Everyone has different needs.

You should seek the advice of a reputable vendor that sells video gear. I have had good results with B&H Photo Video in NYC with their advice for photo accessories. They have experts in various topics related to shooting video. Most of their online experts work for equipment manufacturers.

You need sufficient light to drop your ISO several stops. You will likely need more than one to avoid hard shadows. Do not be alarmed if the recommend four, either.

do you recommend me please a good light for take videos and images ? give me production from ebay please?

for example, I knew about the following studio

2016 2x 135W Bulb Photo Studio Lamp Umbrella Light Stand Continuous Lighting Kit

if you have a good suggestion, let me know from ebay please ?

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

Waddizzle — Mon, 06 Nov 2017 23:50:52 GMT

Again, I can offer no recommendation on a video light. However, I can recommend that you shop somewhere besides eBay. I do not know enough about video lights.

@kvbarkley - I believe he said that he was using f/22 to expand the DOF, and have the background in focus, too. I do not understand the rationale behind it, so I did not question it. I think f/22 is way too narrow, and f/8 should be sufficient.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

kvbarkley — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 00:08:18 GMT

Waddizzle: Yeah, I think you are right. ND's are used for the opposite problem, wanting to use a wide aperature for more DOF. My Bad.

OP:

google "lensrentals blog breakdown lighting options" [without the quotes] for an idea of what's available. From there you can search your favorite commerce sites. Posting links like that are not allowed on this board.

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 00:19:41 GMT

thank you for your answer

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

srmdnadem — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 00:54:05 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
Waddizzle: Yeah, I think you are right. ND's are used for the opposite problem, wanting to use a wide aperature for more DOF. My Bad.

OP:
google "lensrentals blog breakdown lighting options" [without the quotes] for an idea of what's available. From there you can search your favorite commerce sites. Posting links like that are not allowed on this board.

are you delet my enquiry about the lights ? which have a link of ebay ?? what is the reason please ? because I was on the way to delete just the link and put the title of light, and if you do not delete, who is do that ?

Re: can not use F22 or iso less than 400 with lens 17-55 , help me ?

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