topic Re: Lens to buy in EF & RF Lenses

Lens to buy

toby_ta — Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:38:03 GMT

I'm going into sport photography, I only have a thousand dolllars to spare on a lens, what Lens can i buy? I use a Canon 7D

Re: Lens to buy

ScottyP — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:08:53 GMT

You could get a 70-200 f/4 L. It is a big white and it is sharp and will do great for sports on a 7d. It is about $709.00.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/183198-USA/Canon_2578A002_EF_70_200mm_f_4L_USM.html?sid=cpw-17064669⊂=cpw

Re: Lens to buy

cicopo — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:14:10 GMT

As above unless you need more reach and if so consider the 100-400 L IS or 70-300 L IS but to stay within your budget you may need to go the used route.

Re: Lens to buy

amfoto1 — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:21:30 GMT

What lenses do you have now? What kind of sports photography? It's hard to recommend anything without more info.

I shoot sports a lot with a pair of 7Ds and my most frequently used lenses for the purpose are 70-200 and 300mm.

I use IS versions of both 70-200/4 and f2.8. With 300mm I also use both f4 and f2.8 variants, with and without 1.4X and 2X teleconverters.

My 300/4 IS and 70-200/4 IS both were within your budget or less, assuming we're talking US $. I bought both of them used. New they would have been over your budget.

Other lenses I use for sports less frequently to infrequently (Canon unless otherwise noted): EF-S 10-22mm, Tokina 12-24, EF 20/2.8, 28/1.8, 28-135, 24-70/2.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, 135/2 and 500/4.

Some folks like to use 70-300s for sports. If looking at those, I'd recommend only the USM versions in order for focus to be quick enough for sports (70-300 USM IS, 70-300 DO USM IS, 70-300L IS USM). Other folks really like the 100-400L. All these are largely "good daylight" zooms, with f5 and f5.6 apertures at their longer focal lengths.

For some sports, specialty lenses such as fisheye are sometimes used, too.

And there are a number of third party lenses that are possibile alternatives, depending upon your needs.

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Re: Lens to buy

toby_ta — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:34:20 GMT

I just have the Lens kit...18-135mm.. I want to do soccer and basketball, just relocated to the US, i'm an International student

Re: Lens to buy

ebiggs1 — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:19:43 GMT

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM Lens, as suggested above, is the lens for you. If you could possibly swing the extra $600+ bucks for the IS version, I would do it.

This recommendation does not mean it is the end all, it just fits your stated budget. It is a very good "start".

Re: Lens to buy

diverhank — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:45:12 GMT

The previous posters all made very good suggestions. I just want to add a perspective for your consideration. For a budget of $1000, it means you can only get one lens. One lens that does both soccer and basketball will be tough.

The 70-200mm lens (be it f/2.8 or f/4) is a very fine lens except that for most case, there's not enough reach unless you've got front row seat. You can add reach with a 1.4X (for both the f/2.8 or the f/4 lens) or a 2X (for the f/2.8 but not the f/4-you lose autofocus using it). However, the teleconverter itself costs $400, not cheap and it slows autofocus down in addition to reduced image quality. I don't like using it.

For Canon lenses, given the budget, there is only the 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L and the 400mm f/5.6L. Between these two, most people will choose the 100-400mm due to versatility but it costs more. Personally I chose the 400mm f/5.6L, it's cheaper and sharper but you can't zoom and you don't have IS to help you.

My recommendation is therefore to get the 100-400mm lens. You can get a used one for roughly $1000, maybe a bit more but it will most likely be the last telephoto zoom you will need. It's bad form to recommend a non-Canon lens on the Canon forum but you might consider the Sigma 150-500mm or the Tamron 150-600mm.

Re: Lens to buy

amfoto1 — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:28:10 GMT

Indoors for basketball often you don't need a really long lens, so a 70-200mm might be fine. Usually the biggest challenge is getting enough light indoors, so an f2.8 zoom would be ideal, but of course that drives the price up fast. The EF 70-200/2.8 non-IS might be found within your budget. Or a third party 70-200/2.8. If you get lucky, you might find a 70-200/2.8 IS "Mark I" used that's within your budget.... just be careful, at that price it might have a lot of wear and tear!

If the gym/arena lighting is really poor, I might switch to using 50/1.4, 85/1.8 and 135/2 prime lenses for basketball. They aren't as convenient as a zoom, but allow one or more stops additional light. With basketball and other typical indoor court games there are times when even shorter lenses - 28 or 30mm prime, or 24-70/2.8 zoom - can be very useful. It depends upon your access to the sidelines.

Outdoors for soccer, especially during daytime, a 100-400 or similar third party zoom would work. With field sports you often need a longer telephoto. Alternative would be to add a teleconverter to a 70-200/2.8, but I'd be reluctant to use any more than a 1.4X and that only gets you to 280mm. The combo of a 70-200/2.8 and a TC is probably over your budget, anyway.

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"Walk softly and carry a big lens."
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Re: Lens to buy

ebiggs1 — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:04:20 GMT

"... a 1.4X and that only gets you to 280mm."

Actually the effective focal length from a 1.4 converter on a 7D and a 200mm lens would be nearly 450mm.

Should be plenty of reach most of the time. But I, like some of the other replies, do not recommend using any converter on any lens. But in a pinch, it can be done.

I use a Sigma 1.4x with my Sigma 50-150mm f2.8 on my 7D and it actually works very well. The trade off is minimal.

It make a nice package but since it is a off-brand lens, I can not and do not recommend buying it used which would be necessary for your stated budget.

Re: Lens to buy

toby_ta — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:35:10 GMT

I took photos at a college basketball game yesterday with a 18-135mm lens kit, the lowest aperture it could go was f4.... But then i had lotsa noise all over when i opened the picture up on my Laptop.

Re: Lens to buy

amfoto1 — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:45:24 GMT

"Actually the effective focal length from a 1.4 converter on a 7D and a 200mm lens would be nearly 450mm."

True, but the 1.6X conversion factor two-step shuffle often just confuses things unnecessarily.

If the original poster has never used a 35mm film or full frame sensor camera, they likely have no preconceptions about lens focal lengths. Theyre using an 18-135mm lens now, and asking for something longer... 'The 280mm achievable with a 1.4X teleconverter on a 70-200mm lens offers about double what's possible with the lens they already have.

Or - for about the same money or less - there are some lenses that reach 400mm or more without needing any teleconverter. That's 3X to nearly 4X what they have now. And it's actual 400mm or more, not some conversion factor.

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San Jose, Calif., USA
"Walk softly and carry a big lens."
GEAR: 5DII, 7D(x2), 50D(x3), some other cameras, various lenses & accessories
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Re: Lens to buy

ebiggs1 — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:38:17 GMT

Alan, you and I had to learn that. It is time he did also.

Explaining that a 200mm lens is going has the same requirements in technical use as a 450mm lens will make sense to most people. If not maybe they should consider golf as a hobby.

Re: Lens to buy

ScottyP — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 00:30:50 GMT

Aaaarrrrg. You had to say basketball, didn't you. (Ha)

Now that you are talking about indoor short distance sports, I agree with Amphoto about getting a fixed length (prime) lens with a wide aperture to let in a lot of light. I think an 85mm f/1.8 would work well, since our 1.6x crop camera would make it work like about 135mm. It is only about $350.00, so you could get it PLUS the 70-200 f/4 (which gives you 320mm on your crop body), and you'd have soccer and basketball fairly well covered, and basically within your budget.