topic Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R in EF & RF Lenses

EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

haneyx — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 14:25:47 GMT

Previous greetings official canon,

I want to know what will happen to

users who have a wide range of

products for the 5dmark ii, iii and iv family,

because the new R family does not

SUPPORT EF LENSES by default

and the published adapter is not

100% safe against falls, it does not

ensure full compatibility as it fits

securely and a reliable image is

not obtained as there was no such

adapter added to the fact that this

adds weight. Please pay attention

to my case.

Easy is to leave a 5DMark suite

without worrying about all the

investment in EF lenses that is made.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

kvbarkley — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:05:52 GMT

The adapters are as good as it gets. Canon is not about to change the RF mount. Most of the issues I have seen with the adapters are either non-Canon adapters or lenses or Canon lenses that need a firmware update.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

ebiggs1 — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:44:55 GMT

Things change. The only thing you can entirely count on is, things will change. What you previously bought still works as well as it ever did. It will continue to do so. Nobody ever suggested they would work forever and for any future format created.

BTW, I don't like it either. I've already been through it before!

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

kvbarkley — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:11:06 GMT

BTW, are these things you have experienced first hand, or stuff you saw on the internet?

If you are having specific issues, give us the details and we might be able to help.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:38:28 GMT

@haneyx wrote:
Previous greetings official canon,
I want to know what will happen to
users who have a wide range of
products for the 5dmark ii, iii and iv family,
because the new R family does not
SUPPORT EF LENSES by default
and the published adapter is not
100% safe against falls, it does not
ensure full compatibility as it fits
securely and a reliable image is
not obtained as there was no such
adapter added to the fact that this
adds weight. Please pay attention
to my case.
Easy is to leave a 5DMark suite
without worrying about all the
investment in EF lenses that is made.

res ipsa loquitor

https://youtu.be/okeedXcuCjI

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

shadowsports — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:42:24 GMT

@haneyx wrote:
Previous greetings official canon,
I want to know what will happen to
users who have a wide range of
products for the 5dmark ii, iii and iv family,
because the new R family does not
SUPPORT EF LENSES by default
and the published adapter is not
100% safe against falls, it does not
ensure full compatibility as it fits
securely and a reliable image is
not obtained as there was no such
adapter added to the fact that this
adds weight. Please pay attention
to my case.
Easy is to leave a 5DMark suite
without worrying about all the
investment in EF lenses that is made.

@haneyx,

Love it. Compatibility aside. Speaking from a brand agnostic perspective. What camera and lens combination are you aware of that is 100% safe against falls. Last time I checked, dropping any camera or lens regardless of brand doesn't end well for the owner. So there is no more or less protection afforded by using / not using a control ring. Weight, ya, but thats just part of it. Don't drop your stuff is pretty much it.

Compatibility wise. Everyone is in the same boat here. Many of us have thousands of dollars invested in EF glass. Photography is and has changed. Mirrorless is it. You can now say as a photographer, I remember a time before mirrorless and RF glass. The same way others remember when there was only film. If you are like the rest of us, you're going to wait until Canon gets mirrorless right. Or you can jump on the R5 or 6 bandwagon, grab a control ring and begin your transition.

Eventually, you are going to buy new glass, EF glass has been around for decades (since 1987). RF glass is the replacement and will be around till whatever the next standard is. I'm going to keep driving my turbo Subaru, and resist Tesla... but even they are starting to make EV cars now.

Jared Polin's video sums it up. EF glass works with a mirrorless body's. Probably going to see ray guns in my lifetime too, but bullets still work well. No control ring needed.

The decision is not an easy one, and is only one you can make

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

SBK — Tue, 01 Dec 2020 19:50:18 GMT

Transitions are always painful, especially for the wallet.

Pros can make money out of their equipment. For most of us amateurs, it's pure leisure, so the change is painful. I still have all of my film cameras and lenses collecting dust.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

ebiggs1 — Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:45:25 GMT

" I still have all of my film cameras and lenses collecting dust."

They make good paper weights!

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

haneyx — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 20:16:08 GMT

POST CLOSED

Sharing information and experiences with other Canon-friends,

I understand that with R or Mark or Rebel family, the final result Is equal,

I am waiting that canon understand canon professional users requirements

in: low weight, major usability, easy access to Menu and buttons options

without lose quality, more compatibility with best BIGGEsT Sensor

and efficiency IN THE FUTURE.

Finally, thanks friends that for take a time for reply this post.

I wish Good Health to all. 🙂

Image credits: LanceD

SHOOT WITH CANON R

70-200mm 2.8

EXIF

F 3.2

I 320

S 1/400

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

Tronhard — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 08:35:26 GMT

I have about $56,000 worth of camera gear and 95% of that is Canon. I also shoot Nikon, Sony and Olympus. I have a huge selection of Canon Ef and EF-S lenses and a few Sigma super zooms, so you may say I have a lot of skin in the game. Considering a potential investment in R-series equipment, I checked reputable agnostic testing websites, such as DPREVIEW.COM, CAMERALABS.COM and THEDIGITALPICTURE.COM.

I do NOT check social media sites (a screen shot of which it would appear you have posted) as they are unregulated and have no technical or editorial oversight. In the post you display, apart from the execrable English and incomplete sentences, there is no specific issue mentioned, just general moans about Canon. Lance D Curry's response was, I think, taking the Mickey out of the main post!

Frankly, Canon has a reputation, justly deserved, of having one of the most user-friendly interfaces available - compare theirs to Sony's... Further the quality of Canon's equipment is demonstrated by their dominance in the market and if you look at the images of wedding, sports and journalistic photographers, or check a site like the Wildlife Photographer of the Year, you will see that Canon is well represented among people who have to produce on demand quality, consistent results and who have a choice of brands. Amongst the major brands there are not really bad cameras, especially at the professional level - a lot comes down to how the gear operates as a system and most of all, the skill of the photographer.

If one was to check the authoritative sites, then you would observe that Canon have been up front from the beginning about the fact that the EF lens mount needed an overhaul and upgrade to make the most of the new technologies emerging now and in the reasonable future. The majority of RF lenses they have brought out are, generally speaking, aimed at professionals and they are, with a few exceptions, expensive - but brilliant optically. The EF to RF mount converters have been out in the market place for a couple of years now and the genuine Canon ones seem to work within spec with Canon lenses. I have associates who use R-series cameras with EF glass and they say the work fine. No, you won't get IBIS to work but that the nature of the older tech - it simply doesn't have the technical interfaces to engage with IBIS. The EF adaptors do not guarantee to work with 3rd party lenses, and conversely Canon EF lenses are not guaranteed to work with 3rd party adaptors - nothing new there, and frankly quite reasonable.

@haneyx wrote:
POST CLOSED

Sharing information and experiences with other Canon-friends,
I understand that with R or Mark or Rebel family, the final result Is equal,
I am waiting that canon understand canon professional users requirements
in: low weight, major usability, easy access to Menu and buttons options
without lose quality, more compatibility with best BIGGEsT Sensor
and efficiency IN THE FUTURE.

Finally, thanks friends that for take a time for reply this post.
I wish Good Health to all. 🙂

Image credits: LanceD

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

ebiggs1 — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:21:08 GMT

What he said!

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

haneyx — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 20:13:40 GMT

"All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris
"A good swordsman is more important than a good sword" Amit Kalantri

I mean the end results are similar

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

Tronhard — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 20:06:52 GMT

@haneyx wrote:
I mean the end results are similar

To be honest I am not sure exactly what you mean, but I am going with the concept that the R-series cameras have not moved forward from the quality of outcome of the later EOS 5D or 1DX series.

In the case of the early EOS R, which was equivalent to the EOD 5DIV, and the RP, equivalent to the EOS 6DII, you might have had a point, but the new R5 and R6 units, with their IBIS (for compatible lenses) and tracking technologies are a major step up. They also have new sensors that are ahead of the previous units - see the reviews below...

For a reasonably in-depth review of Photographic performance of the

R5, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5GeNH3Ip0

R6, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6E6aGswzcE&t=10s

ANY new camera takes some time to get to know and that is further emphasized by the use of mirrorless for those coming from the EOS DSLRs.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

ebiggs1 — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:47:52 GMT

However Trevor any new tech should be better than existing tech. Sensor vs sensor or DSLR vs mirrorless. Mirrorless is the way of the future so development in DSLR tech is going to be over shadowed. Just as a 1DX Mk III is better than a 1D Mk IV.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

ebiggs1 — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:50:30 GMT

"A good swordsman is more important than a good sword" Amit Kalantri"

Not always!

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

Tronhard — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 21:21:51 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
However Trevor any new tech should be better than existing tech. Sensor vs sensor or DSLR vs mirrorless. Mirrorless is the way of the future so development in DSLR tech is going to be over shadowed. Just as a 1DX Mk III is better than a 1D Mk IV.

In principle, I agree with you Ernie. But in some cases the word SHOULD becomes significant. Looking at Canon's early forays into digital, I was not impressed by the bodies and have stayed away from the R and RP models as, to me they did not represent a good enough improvement on what I have to justify the investment. To me, they were a dipping of the technical toes into the mirrorless pool and provided a platform off which to launch the RF mount, and to bring their RF lenses into the market. I felt they were either experimenting, or (as many commentators suggested) holding back to mature some serious offerings - and I think that this is what we have seen in the R5 and R6 in particular.

As to my byline: I will offer another quotation...

"A bear with a great camera is still just a bear"

Jim Lawrence, a Canadian photographer took this, using his backup unit, of a grizzly bear exploring his main camera.

More seriously though. If I give a humble camera to a skilled photographer, I would expect a better result than achieved by an unskilled shooter with a great camera. A skilled photographer knows their gear and can get the best from it. All the tech in the world is useless if the operator fails to leverage it effectively. First and foremost, a great photograph depends more on what and how it is being shot: the composition if you will, rather than the camera, and creativity, treatment and composition are currently very human elements. A great piece of tech will likely help a good photographer take better pictures, but it will not make a bad photographer something they are not. I refer you to this video:

Sean Tucker takes the toy camera challenge

I often shoot with my old camera gear to reinforce my mantra that it's more about the tech than the technique. In fact I'm heading out today with 2 x 60D's (vintage 2010) using 18-55 and 55-250 kit lenses, plus a 400D (circa 2006) with the EF 70-300 IS USM MkI. I want to see what I can capture.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

ebiggs1 — Sat, 05 Dec 2020 16:04:49 GMT

However, Trevor, neither statement, yours nor mine, is set in stone. The swordsman quotation seems to make it so, however.

I can relay examples of my DSLR 101 folks all using the most basic gear made, for the most part, but rendering vastly different results. You are that accomplished photographer that seems to get the most from the least.

Trevor you are not old enough, I am, but if you go back to the very early days of digital, you would see the same thing that mirrorless is going through right now. People swore the digital would never take over film. It just wasn't possible. And, the first DSLRs was not much to speak of and costs a mint. Some still say digital will never take over film! Photoshop only did B&W and only had four adjustment settings.

Mirrorless in its beginning was not ready for prime time. As far as I am concerned it still isn't. Remind you of the old film guys? But R&D is expensive so companies want to recoup expenses quickly if the can. So, they rush something to market.

Canon "M" series might be considered one. I didn't think they would extend it when they come out with the vastly better "R" series. One thing for sure the "R" series lenses are world class or even out of this world. They are simply superb. Again nobody makes lenses like Canon.

"A bear with a great camera is still just a bear", yes sometimes! However, not always. Happy shooting today and always, Trevor.

Re: EF LENSES incompatibles with new Canon R

Tronhard — Sat, 05 Dec 2020 18:36:39 GMT

Ernie, my friend, I am flattered that you think I am that youthful. I was in my late 20's when I started seriously shooting back in 1980, so I saw the birth of digital just like you did. I absolutely agree that every new technology has to go through a period of denial from traditionalists and those who look at the technology at the time and see it, not as the beginning of a new evolution, but as a finished product - and judge it as such.

Certainly, technology can greatly assist those who either lack, or are developing the skills. Back in 1888, the Box Brownie democratized photography and took it from an elite of highly-educated, resourced and technically skilled practitioners, and through its simplicity and the removal of any responsibility for handling and processing the film, empowered millions to take photos of the minutia of day-to-day life: something that was previously lacking. It also gave the masses a chance to express and record their views of the world, their families and their lives. I believe we saw that same effect replayed when the cell phone gained a camera and, combined with the ability to post images instantly, has seen our world recorded (for better or worse) like never before. With the accelerating development of technologies, I am almost afraid to speculate what photography will look like in the middle of the centurey. At 68, I don't expect to see that, sadly.

As to the debates on mirrorless, my studies into the history of photography show that similar debates were expressed when the first cameras were actually invented, then when the Box Brownie came along and so on... As they say the only constant in life is change. There are always nay-sayers or those who feel threatened by something new.

Your comments about the newest digital and optical offerings from Canon are something I can embrace. That is why I was rather critical of the OP's inane submissions. One of the double-edged benefits of the web is that anyone can publish, and there are many ill-informed and ignorant people out there, or those with agendas pushing opinions and propoganda. When they come into this space and repeat them that cannot go unanswered IMHO. I have stuck predominantly with Canon for 40 years, and certainly intend to do so.

The quotation is a quotation and it represents an alignment with my own philosophy. What it does not express is any antipathy towards mirrorless cameras and new technology as such. Way back, I bought into the EOS M series because the cameras were so compact that I could carry them when I could not have done so with conventional DSLRs, and they have worked well for me, not only for their light weight and compactness, but for their lack of intrusiveness - and I still use them as occasion offers. I think that the new wave of FF MILCs is a huge step forward in the development of conventional cameras (as opposed to cellphones and computational photography, for example). We each have our own situation, but right now, with so much DSLR gear, it will be a while before I can justify the expenditure on these units, as to get their full benefits, I would want the very expensive glass that goes with them. With the collection of gear that I have I don't think I can be accused of not keeping up with gear investment.

I think that with gear like the new R-series bodies and the opportunities offered with the new RF mount that we are entering a whole new and expanded world of performance and possibilities. I am not sure if you mis-construed my post to the OP, but I was trying to defend the new Canon tech and call the OP out on what I felt was an unjustified post. I did express reservations about the very first R-series bodies to come out, but I did say I saw them as an interim platform for introducing the mount and lenses. The new R5 and R6 show an amazing lift in that performance and truly put Canon at the forefront of the mirrorless movement. It's an exciting future!