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AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

mangurian — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 03:15:51 GMT

I really like the capabilities of Corel AfterShot Pro 3. I have been unable to make it load Canon Raw (CR2) files. Has anyone out there suceeded in doing that ?

Thanks,

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

kvbarkley — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:05:15 GMT

Sounds like a question for Corel. Note that RAW support is a camera by camera thing, not a specific format like .cr2. They may support the 70D but not the 77D, yet.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

mangurian — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:29:16 GMT

I spoke to Corel and they said the EOS M100 is not supported. There are other Canons that output .CR2 files and the apparently work in AfterShot Pro. Not sure if you are saying that CR2 files from different cameras might be different ?

@kvbarkley wrote:
Sounds like a question for Corel. Note that RAW support is a camera by camera thing, not a specific format like .cr2. They may support the 70D but not the 77D, yet.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

RobertTheFat — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:29:46 GMT

@mangurian wrote:
I spoke to Corel and they said the EOS M100 is not supported. There are other Canons that output .CR2 files and the apparently work in AfterShot Pro. Not sure if you are saying that CR2 files from different cameras might be different ?
@kvbarkley wrote:
Sounds like a question for Corel. Note that RAW support is a camera by camera thing, not a specific format like .cr2. They may support the 70D but not the 77D, yet.

.CR2 files are indeed camera-specific.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

kvbarkley — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:58:08 GMT

It is not so much that the .CR2's are camera specific, just that you need to know info about the camera in order to interpret the RAW file. For example, It could be that a particular sensor's bayer array starts with a green pixel in the upper left corner, while another sensor starts with a blue pixel. You obviously have to know that in order to properly develop the RAW file.

If you *know* that the sensors are identical, you can sometimes fake out the development software by simply renaming the camera in the EXIF data. This *might* have worked when Canon had a bajillion cameras that used the same18MP sensor.

That worked Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

mangurian — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:54:01 GMT

Canon uses the 23 MP sensor in a bunch of cameras. I changed the EXIF camera name to EOS M5 which Aftershot Pro supports. It loaded and I could edit it.

I can't do it in batch since the EXIF editing prog wants $79 for their batch plug-in. Too rich for my blood.

What strikes me is that Corel could force ASP to read all the M-series camera files using what would seem to be a minor software rev. What am I missing ? or are they missing something ? The M series uses a 23 MP sensor.

anyway - Thanks for your help

Re: That worked Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

kvbarkley — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:01:44 GMT

What you are missing is that while the cameras might be useing hte same sensor, there could be other issues that change the response. If they did do a quickie RAW support based on the sensor, and it didn't work, they would get a bunch of complaints about *that*. Darned if they do and darned if they don't.

Re: That worked Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

mangurian — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:57:01 GMT

A Canon tech, not a rocket scientist, could at least see what unsupported camera raws would load if the EXIF data is changed. Then they could only load those that do and warn users that the files will load for processing in AS Pro, but they are not officially supported and the EXIF data has been modified.

This is better than advertising a product using the rationale that you should buy it because you can process RAW (only you can't for many cameras).

When I changed my EXIF data from Canon EOS M100 to Canon EOS M5 everything was hunky dory and I was able to catalog and process the CR2 raw files.

Re: That worked Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

kvbarkley — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:20:59 GMT

That, of course, is a question for Corel.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

gmartin2000 — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 03:46:32 GMT

FWIW, I have two T6S cameras where After Shot converts raw(.cr2) files just fine, but it won't even see the raw images from my EOS Rebel T6. *SIGH* Should I assume this failure to display is related to this EXIF naming thing or is this a different issue?

If it is the same, how do I go about "renaming the camera in the EXIF data"? Later on, Mangurian said "When I changed my EXIF data from Canon EOS M100 to Canon EOS M5 everything was hunky dory and I was able to catalog and process the CR2 raw files." - I would wonder what values I should use if the T6 is different from the EOS M100 specification.

If this is NOT the same issue, what then?

Thanks much for any help!
Is making this change the same as described above?

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

Peter — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 08:24:02 GMT

Aftershot Pro uses FOSS Lensfun for lens corrections. Perhaps it also uses an open raw decoder like RawSpeed? If that is the case, then you can just edit a text file. You should ask the Aftershot Pro developers.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

mangurian — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:52:43 GMT

Here's what I did:

1. get an exif editor
2. get a Canon RAW file that works in After Shot. (from your other camera or ask someone to email one)
3. Locate the camera names in both the working and non-working files.
4. Use the editor to change the non-working name to the working name (identical # spaces etc)

When I was doing this, there were exif editors that would do the changes in batch. They were not free. I don't know what's available 6 years later.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

shadowsports — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 11:44:23 GMT

Greetings ,

This sounds like a lot of work. Canon's DPP is free. If you're paying for software, there's DxO Photo Lab. Adobe Lightroom, CaptureOne, Affinity Pro, Topaz... And others. All of these will read .CR2 files for the majority of cameras out there without the need to batch edit your EXIF data. Many of them have lens profiles too. I'm just offering this suggestion as an alternative since batch editing EXIF data just adds another step in your workflow. Maybe you've already considered this. Just seems like a lot of work for being able to use a $63 application.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

mangurian — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 11:47:25 GMT

After testing options, I went with Photolab a years back. It has the best optical corrections (mainly I think because it calibrates camera/lens pairs, not just lenses) . I then pass the output to Photoshop. Back in 2018 many new cameras/lenses were not supported by anyone in a timely manner (timely from a user's not a developer's perspective) and that's when I would sometimes edit and EXIF.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

shadowsports — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:00:30 GMT

I thought I recognized your screen name from the DxO community too. 🙂

DxO and DPP are my preferred editors. I got hooked back in 2017 because I owned a large number of third-party lenses. I'm all Canon now, but have stayed with them because of deep prime and familiarity with the interface

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

kvbarkley — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:16:28 GMT

After 6(!) years, I would expect that the cameras are supported or not. I would ask Corel. It is stated later in this thread how to change the name in the EXIF via EXIFtool.

As also stated, DPP is the least resistance path.

Re: AfterShot Pro 3 and RAW files

FloridaDrafter — Mon, 15 Apr 2024 05:49:33 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
After 6(!) years, I would expect that the cameras are supported or not. I would ask Corel. It is stated later in this thread how to change the name in the EXIF via EXIFtool.
As also stated, DPP is the least resistance path.

As far as I know, the last update to AfterShot Pro 3 was in January of 2021 ( ver. 3.7.0.446). However, you can still get camera profiles by using the "Get More" flyout along the right side of the editing panel. The list includes a lot of cameras. It's kind of odd in that it will list just the series of some and specifically call out the "mark XX" of others, like the T6 profile covers all three cameras in the T6 series.

The back story on AfterShot Pro and why I have it (although I don't use it a lot) is it is built on an old Linux program called Bibble, which I used back in the day. Corel (now Aludo) acquired it sometime after 2011 and updated the GUI and added a few features. I've found it to be very capable, especially at the price point.

I have many Raw, raster, and vector editors but primarily use DPP for Canon Raw files.

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