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End of standalone Lightroom

John_SD — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:22:36 GMT

Now that Adobe has announced there will be no further support for standalone Lightroom, what product will you be using in the future?

As stated on Peta Pixel: "Adobe is also announcing that Lightroom 6 will be the last standalone version of Lightroom that you can purchase once and use forever. There won’t be any Lightroom 7, and if you’d like to use the latest and greatest Lightroom updates and features, you’ll need to start paying regular subscriptions (just like with Photoshop CC). Lightroom 6 will no longer be updated after 2017, so you’ll find that newer cameras of the future will not be supported."

Adobe claims that photographers have "demanded" this change LOL I mean, who wouldn't want to pay a monthly subscription fee for the rest of their life. I believe it is more likely that stockholders have demanded it. Be that as it may, DPP is looking better and better now. YMMV.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

Waddizzle — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:29:02 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
Now that Adobe has announced there will be no further support for standalone Lightroom, what product will you be using in the future?

As stated on Peta Pixel: "Adobe is also announcing that Lightroom 6 will be the last standalone version of Lightroom that you can purchase once and use forever. There won’t be any Lightroom 7, and if you’d like to use the latest and greatest Lightroom updates and features, you’ll need to start paying regular subscriptions (just like with Photoshop CC). Lightroom 6 will no longer be updated after 2017, so you’ll find that newer cameras of the future will not be supported."

Adobe claims that photographers have "demanded" this change LOL I mean, who wouldn't want to pay a monthly subscription fee for the rest of their life. I believe it is more likely that stockholders have demanded it. Be that as it may, DPP is looking better and better now. YMMV.

Buy a copy of it now. It currently works with all of the latest Canon camera body and lenses. You can also convert any file to DNG, and process that with Lightroom. I do not like the idea of leasing software, either.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

John_SD — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:23:17 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
Buy a copy of it now. It currently works with all of the latest Canon camera body and lenses. You can also convert any file to DNG, and process that with Lightroom. I do not like the idea of leasing software, either.

Well, I did consider that, but ultimately had to reject the idea of investing in an orpahned product, which is approaching death's door. So for now I'll continue using DPP, which is fine for my usage today. But I do realize that at some point in the not too distant future, I'll require a product that features more robust management and capability. From the blogs and whatnot I've been reading, there is a growing outcry among pros and enthusiasts regarding this blatant money grab, so I guess we'll just have to stay tuned.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

Waddizzle — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:33:05 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
Buy a copy of it now. It currently works with all of the latest Canon camera body and lenses. You can also convert any file to DNG, and process that with Lightroom. I do not like the idea of leasing software, either.
Well, I did consider that, but ultimately had to reject the idea of investing in an orpahned product, which is approaching death's door. So for now I'll continue using DPP, which is fine for my usage today. But I do realize that at some point in the not too distant future, I'll require a product that features more robust management and capability. From the blogs and whatnot I've been reading, there is a growing outcry among pros and enthusiasts regarding this blatant money grab, so I guess we'll just have to stay tuned.

I’m not sure if you followed what I am saying. While support for Lightroom 6 may be ending, all that means is that they will no longer offer updates, or fix bugs, which has not happened in while. The DNG Convrter is a separate application, which will continue to be supported, as is Adobe Camera Raw. Lightroom 6 should remain quite usable for years to come.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

ScottyP — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 20:19:20 GMT

This is infuriating.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

RobertTheFat — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:07:42 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
Now that Adobe has announced there will be no further support for standalone Lightroom, what product will you be using in the future?

As stated on Peta Pixel: "Adobe is also announcing that Lightroom 6 will be the last standalone version of Lightroom that you can purchase once and use forever. There won’t be any Lightroom 7, and if you’d like to use the latest and greatest Lightroom updates and features, you’ll need to start paying regular subscriptions (just like with Photoshop CC). Lightroom 6 will no longer be updated after 2017, so you’ll find that newer cameras of the future will not be supported."

Adobe claims that photographers have "demanded" this change LOL I mean, who wouldn't want to pay a monthly subscription fee for the rest of their life. I believe it is more likely that stockholders have demanded it. Be that as it may, DPP is looking better and better now. YMMV.

I agree. The functionality of DPP is plenty good for anyone who doean't actually need Photoshoppe. (And you know who you are; if you don't know, you don't need it.) If Canon would finally address DPP's annoying efficiency problems, we could all let LR fade away without having to pay much attention. Satan would be passing out parkas and handwarmers before we needed to sign up for a lifetime subscription to LR.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

Waddizzle — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:57:36 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@John_SD wrote:
Now that Adobe has announced there will be no further support for standalone Lightroom, what product will you be using in the future?

As stated on Peta Pixel: "Adobe is also announcing that Lightroom 6 will be the last standalone version of Lightroom that you can purchase once and use forever. There won’t be any Lightroom 7, and if you’d like to use the latest and greatest Lightroom updates and features, you’ll need to start paying regular subscriptions (just like with Photoshop CC). Lightroom 6 will no longer be updated after 2017, so you’ll find that newer cameras of the future will not be supported."

Adobe claims that photographers have "demanded" this change LOL I mean, who wouldn't want to pay a monthly subscription fee for the rest of their life. I believe it is more likely that stockholders have demanded it. Be that as it may, DPP is looking better and better now. YMMV.

I agree. The functionality of DPP is plenty good for anyone who doean't actually need Photoshoppe. (And you know who you are; if you don't know, you don't need it.) If Canon would finally address DPP's annoying efficiency problems, we could all let LR fade away without having to pay much attention. Satan would be passing out parkas and handwarmers before we needed to sign up for a lifetime subscription to LR.

My deal breaker with DPP is not speed. It is the lack of support for third party lenses. Of course, I should not expect it, nor do I blame Canon for not including it. For me, that's the biggest problem with it.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

ScottyP — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 01:41:03 GMT

Bad enough I have years worth of images processed in their system. Now they think I am going to upload all my images to them so they will hold them for me, ransoming them for $9.99/ month for now, but doubtless more and more, forever.

I think they went went too far this time. They can squeeze existing users for more money and please their shareholders (myself included) for the short term gain but how will they lure new casual users into that lifetime monthly obligation? They are cutting off their entry point for new users. This gives their competitors a big chance.

I bought ADBE stock when this subscription thing started, guessing this would be a quick cash flow boost. Ive made more than enough money in Adobe stock in less than a year to buy a 1dx2 and a nice lens or two (though I haven't done so) and still I am pi$$ed.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

Waddizzle — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 01:59:28 GMT

@ScottyP wrote:
Bad enough I have years worth of images processed in their system. Now they think I am going to upload all my images to them so they will hold them for me, ransoming them for $9.99/ month for now, but doubtless more and more, forever.

I think they went went too far this time. They can squeeze existing users for more money and please their shareholders (myself included) for the short term gain but how will they lure new casual users into that lifetime monthly obligation? They are cutting off their entry point for new users. This gives their competitors a big chance.

I bought ADBE stock when this subscription thing started, guessing this would be a quick cash flow boost. Ive made more than enough money in Adobe stock in less than a year to buy a 1dx2 and a nice lens or two (though I haven't done so) and still I am pi$$ed.

I don’t see this as a major crisis. LR6 currently supports the 6D Mark II, which is one of Canon;s latest offerings. With the DNG converter, any future camera bodies and lenses would still work with it.

BTW, off topic. I think the 6D Mark II is a fantastic camera for the price. I think this is one of the ISO 12800 shots. Near 100% crop.

High school football shot at ISO 12800 to ISO 25600, with the EF 100-400mm f.4.5-5.6L IS II USM lens.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

ScottyP — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 03:16:11 GMT

Yeah. I can upgrade to LR6, a dead end, and limp,along until I move past current cameras. Bad taste in my mouth though. Hate giving them that last $150.00.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

RobertTheFat — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 03:44:02 GMT

@ScottyP wrote:
Bad enough I have years worth of images processed in their system. Now they think I am going to upload all my images to them so they will hold them for me, ransoming them for $9.99/ month for now, but doubtless more and more, forever.

I think they went went too far this time. They can squeeze existing users for more money and please their shareholders (myself included) for the short term gain but how will they lure new casual users into that lifetime monthly obligation? They are cutting off their entry point for new users. This gives their competitors a big chance.

I bought ADBE stock when this subscription thing started, guessing this would be a quick cash flow boost. Ive made more than enough money in Adobe stock in less than a year to buy a 1dx2 and a nice lens or two (though I haven't done so) and still I am pi$$ed.

Are you saying they force you to use their cloud service and can actually impound your pictures? I can't imagine anybody going along with that.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

Waddizzle — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:43:48 GMT

Lightroom 6 and Lightroom Classic CC are completely separate products.

Lightroom 6 will no longer automatically look for updates, and no future updates should be expected. Lightroom 6 works with Adobe Camera Raw, and it can process DNG files created by the independent DNG Converter application.

As of this moment, I can read RAW files created by the EOS 6D Mark II, which is arguably Canon’s latest DSLR body, which is much newer than the EOS-1dx Mark II.

Whether or not LR6 will work with future releases of ACR is unclear. Currently, Photoshop CS6E does not work with ACR beyond release 9.1. But, you can still use it because the DNG converter automatically translates the RAW file to DNG for you.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

John_SD — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:05:12 GMT

Their business model regarding the various Lightrooms is a mess and a lot of photographers are mightily ticked off. I, for one, will stick with DPP for now.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

RobertTheFat — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:37:31 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
Their business model regarding the various Lightrooms is a mess and a lot of photographers are mightily ticked off. I, for one, will stick with DPP for now.

So will I, but I would've anyway. I prefer the way that DPP handles corrections to RAW files over the way that Lightroom does it. And I don't really need LR's cataloguing system.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

BurnUnit — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:55:19 GMT

DPP4 seems to do a fine job for me, but it can be stubborn and frustratingly slow sometimes on my Win7 desktop. But several months ago DxO offered a free download of an older version of OpticsPro (9) which was more than current enough to work with my 60d.

There's a bit of learning curve coming from DPP4 but so far I've been more than pleased with the results. It even has a few features and functions that the Canon software doesn't and for me it runs consistently smoother and faster.

http://???.dxo.com/us/photography/photo-software/dxo-opticspro

The current version is OpticsPro 11 and seems to run from $130 to $200 between the basic and deluxe versions. And of course you can download a free trial version for a "test drive".

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

woodsy — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 11:18:38 GMT

They are giving away DXO Optics 11 Essentials edition for free at the moment http://www.dxo.com/us/practicalphotography

I prefer DPP4s output but DXO 11 runs much better on my computer.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

BurnUnit — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:14:28 GMT

woodsy wrote:
They are giving away DXO Optics 11 Essentials edition for free at the moment http://www.dxo.com/us/practicalphotography
I prefer DPP4s output but DXO 11 runs much better on my computer.

Thanks for the heads-up on the OpticsPro 11 offer. DPP4 does produce good results. It can just be frustrating about how quickly and predictably it will do so on certain computers. But if you're willing to spend some time learning your way around DxO OpticsPro I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

OpticsPro 9, and I imagine OpticsPro 11, opens by default with an almost overwhelming assortment of tools in the RH tool palette. Some are very specialized and may not get used frequently, but they're there if you need them.

But if you look in the Settings or Preferences menu, I think you'll find a way to customize the program so that it will open with only the tools of your choosing. And I believe you can even move the tools up and down in the tool palette in whatever order you find most logical.

I've not not spent much time trying to do this customization yet, but as I find myself using OpticsPro more frequently I think it will be worth the effort.

Re: End of standalone Lightroom

Mitsubishiman — Mon, 30 Oct 2017 01:32:54 GMT

I never lease software when I can purchase it, I paid $120.00 for LR 6, I refuse to use cloud storage and I refuse to pay a monthly fee, although I love the program, we are not one big happy family, it took 6 months for LR to add the lens profile for the 16-35 f2. 8L III
There is no real value to the end user for leasing, only income, unfortunately this is the way of the future, fortunately I purchased it and it will remain a viable product.
Word to the wise... Adobe is notorious for disguising and update only to find out it was a trial upgrade and they uninstalled your previous version, this happened to me with Adobe acrobat, took a week to get my previous version back, the technicians excuse was that Adobe wants us all to have the latest greatest version.
I still also use Paint Shop Pro, still a good program.