topic Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries in Camera Accessories

Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 19:12:39 GMT

Hi, fellas.

I bouth a Canon 6D and I have a problem with my batteries/charger LP-E6 and LC-E6E.

I put the battery into the LC-E6E. It blinks one time per second in orange for hours (much more than the 2,5 hours) and finally it turns off the led when the battery is full. It doesnt show any other phase of blinks like 2 times or 3 times per second and even the green light.

It happens with my two batteries.

What is happening? Does anyone knows?

One more question. Could I recharge the LP-E6N battery in this recharger?

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:46:40 GMT

Are they true Canon batteries? Do they work OK after being charged?

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

diverhank — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 00:41:24 GMT

Newer Canon chargers will not charge non Canon batteries but should charge real Canon batteries just fine. You can always use the old charger to charge all of them. I use my 5DIII charger to charge the all LPE6 batteries.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

RobertTheFat — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 01:06:09 GMT

@diverhank wrote:
Newer Canon chargers will not charge non Canon batteries ...

Really? If that statement is true at all, the chargers for which it's true must be very new indeed. Several times when I've bought a camera from B&H, they've thrown in one of their house-brand batteries, and none of my Canon chargers have had a problem charging them so far.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

diverhank — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:50:07 GMT

I guess it's as new as a couple of years. My 5D Mark III charger is quite happy charging everything while the 7D Mark II charger will not charge non Canon batteries at all. Of course if the non-Canon battery manufacturer could mimic the Canon battery readout exactly, they could fool the charger.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:09:15 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:
Are they true Canon batteries? Do they work OK after being charged?

I bought it as original. I can't say if it really is. They work fine after charged.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

RobertTheFat — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:47:08 GMT

@diverhank wrote:
I guess it's as new as a couple of years. My 5D Mark III charger is quite happy charging everything while the 7D Mark II charger will not charge non Canon batteries at all. Of course if the non-Canon battery manufacturer could mimic the Canon battery readout exactly, they could fool the charger.

I'm at work, so I can't check; and I don't have time just now to try to navigate the Canon site. But the B&H site indicates that the 5D3 and the 7D2 ship with the same charger.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:13:53 GMT

I measured the nominal electric current of the charger. 0,43A when it must be 1,2A. I think its dead.. dammit.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

Waddizzle — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:01:54 GMT

@brupsilva wrote:
I messured the amperage of the charger. 0,43A when it must be 1,2A. I think its dead.. dammit.

I have no idea what you measured, or on which set of terminals, but neither of those values are what I would expect from a "trickle charger".

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

RobertTheFat — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:12:28 GMT

@brupsilva wrote:
I messured the amperage of the charger. 0,43A when it must be 1,2A. I think its dead.. dammit.

I'm no electrical engineer, but I believe that amperage must be measured for a given load. So I assume you've measured the charger's performance with both batteries.

Also, the notation you use suggests that you're using the charger in Europe, presumably via an adapter. Before you give up on the charger, make sure that the adapter is operating correctly (e.g., that there's no voltage loss due to corroded contacts, etc.).

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:18:29 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@brupsilva wrote:
I messured the amperage of the charger. 0,43A when it must be 1,2A. I think its dead.. dammit.
I'm no electrical engineer, but I believe that amperage must be measured for a given load. So I assume you've measured the charger's performance with both batteries.

Also, the notation you use suggests that you're using the charger in Europe, presumably via an adapter. Before you give up on the charger, make sure that the adapter is operating correctly (e.g., that there's no voltage loss due to corroded contacts, etc.).

I went to an electrical laboratory. The engineer measured for me with a multimeter. In fact the amperage is measured in it's contacts, showing the current value that the source provides for batteries. This value should be 1.2A, but was measured 0,43A.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

kvbarkley — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:46:02 GMT

You do know that modern chargers adjust the current based on the measured state of the battery right? And with modern chipped batteries it might get more complicated than that!

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

diverhank — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:58:15 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:

I'm at work, so I can't check; and I don't have time just now to try to navigate the Canon site. But the B&H site indicates that the 5D3 and the 7D2 ship with the same charger.

Same charger, different firmware...the same thing recent camera firmwares starting to check and warn you about non-OEM batteries, too. If you care to search the internet photography forums...This has been discussed at length. You don't have to take my word for it.

However, I have two identical chargers at home and one will charge the Canon batteries just fine but refuses to charge the Wasabi I have. The older one charges everthing I throw at (complete with the number of flashes and green light). I got to see it for real first hand.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:03:49 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
You do know that modern chargers adjust the current based on the measured state of the battery right? And with modern chipped batteries it might get more complicated than that!

Yes, but since the batteries are taking more than five hours to be fully charged, I believe that this measurement is consistent.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

diverhank — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:21:40 GMT

@brupsilva wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@brupsilva wrote:
I messured the amperage of the charger. 0,43A when it must be 1,2A. I think its dead.. dammit.
I'm no electrical engineer, but I believe that amperage must be measured for a given load. So I assume you've measured the charger's performance with both batteries.

Also, the notation you use suggests that you're using the charger in Europe, presumably via an adapter. Before you give up on the charger, make sure that the adapter is operating correctly (e.g., that there's no voltage loss due to corroded contacts, etc.).
I went to an electrical laboratory. The engineer measured for me with a multimeter. In fact the amperage is measured in it's contacts, showing the current value that the source provides for batteries. This value should be 1.2A, but was measured 0,43A.

I agree with Robert...you have to measure the current under load (with the battery installed) otherwise, it's meaningless. And I am an electrical engineer :). Assuming that the engineer at the lab measured it correctly, .43 Amps sounds about right, depending on the state of charge on the battery. Most chargers have a scheme for charging from full charge to trickle charge, depending on the state of charge. For a fully depleted battery, the charger may pump the full 1.2A but usually not...charging at full current all the time probably will shorten battery life due to excess heat and what not.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:18:42 GMT

@diverhank wrote:
@brupsilva wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@brupsilva wrote:
I messured the amperage of the charger. 0,43A when it must be 1,2A. I think its dead.. dammit.
I'm no electrical engineer, but I believe that amperage must be measured for a given load. So I assume you've measured the charger's performance with both batteries.

Also, the notation you use suggests that you're using the charger in Europe, presumably via an adapter. Before you give up on the charger, make sure that the adapter is operating correctly (e.g., that there's no voltage loss due to corroded contacts, etc.).
I went to an electrical laboratory. The engineer measured for me with a multimeter. In fact the amperage is measured in it's contacts, showing the current value that the source provides for batteries. This value should be 1.2A, but was measured 0,43A.
I agree with Robert...you have to measure the current under load (with the battery installed) otherwise, it's meaningless. And I am an electrical engineer :).

And how could you explain my new batteries take more then 5 hours to be charged? They always took 2h in maximum.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

kvbarkley — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:20:45 GMT

Whether your test was valid or not, the conclusion is.

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

diverhank — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:27:23 GMT

@brupsilva wrote:
And how could you explain my new batteries take more then 5 hours to be charged? They always took 2h in maximum.

Does the charger say that it will only take 2 hours? I'm not certain but I think the charger is supposed to be smart...you might want to let it charge the batteries a couple of time without interruption a few times so it will learn the patterns. Come to think of it, my 7D2 charger was acting weird at first also but soon behaves normally (quicker charging).

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

brupsilva — Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:05:08 GMT

Hi, guys! Finally solved!

My suspicious was right. It was a fake recharger. FAKE! After a very angry phonecall, the seller sent me the original one. Now everything is working fine!

Thank you all for the replies! You rule!

Re: Problem recharging LP-E6 batteries

Waddizzle — Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:21:51 GMT

@brupsilva wrote:
Hi, guys! Finally solved!

My suspicious was right. It was a fake recharger. FAKE! After a very angry phonecall, the seller sent me the original one. Now everything is working fine!

Thank you all for the replies! You rule!

That's great. Just one more thing, though. Scratch that retailer off the "buy" list.