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Re: Ready for bird season?

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KingNine wrote:
Thanks! That first one is actually one of the first shots I got with it after buying my copy. There is literally a wildlife sanctuary 3 blocks from the camera store I purchased it from. I bought it and drove around the corner....

I did think about my purchase when using it the next weekend and dark clouds rolled in on me quick. All of the sudden the weather sealed one seemed like a good idea lol. I'll just need to be prepared and take pictures within my limitations.

Yes, the Sigma 150-600mm "C" can take some great photos, if you stay within its' comfort zone.  One of the lens' best features  is the zoom lock switch, which locks at several focal lengths.  Lens creep, no more.  Canon should take some notes on that feature.  [EDIT] I get the best results by locking at 500mm, with an f/8 aperture.

 

Having the option of the Sigma Dock was a plus for me over the Tamron.  In addition to custom AFMA, you can also configure custom auto focus modes.  I like the idea having weather sealed lenses, but not so I can shoot photos in bad weather with less worries.  I'm too old and fragile to be trying to do that.  No, my brain cells have concluded that weather sealing means the lenses will last longer, and will be less inclined to have mold, mildew, water drops, or dust.

 

But, the 150-600mm "C" does have its' limits.  I think the IQ suffers as you move above 500mm.  And, the lens doesn't really shine at minimum aperture, not until you get around f/8.  If you want high shutter speeds, 1/1000 or faster, then you need a bright sunny day, not a dim overcast or rainy sky.  

 

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I get better results shooting the new Canon 100-400mm at f/5.6 and cropping, than using the 150-600mm "C" at f/6.3, or even f/8.  Ernie may have a point about the Canon 400mm might be better than a 150-600mm zoom.  That above shot is nearly a 100% crop of a 400mm shot.  The bird was on the other side of a lake, close to the water's edge.  I would imagine that the 400mm prime would do at least as well, if not better.  Using the wide aperture, f/5.6, let me use a high shutter speed, 1/2000, which let me freeze the bird in flight. 

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Re: Ready for bird season?

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" And, the lens doesn't really shine at minimum aperture, not until you get around f/8."

 

Did you mean to say 'maximum' aperture? Most if not all lenses do better when stopped down one stop.  Some two stops but usually never more than that.  No tele I ever used or even heard of did well at its minim aperture of f22.  Some teles even have f32 and that would be even worse because of diffraction.

 

The blue bird on the first post is also a 100% crop.  Even with 600mm a blue bird is still a small bird.  They will not let me get closer with all that open ground there.

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Re: Ready for bird season?

What a great picture from that 100% crop. I read and watched many reviews of which most said the same things you just said. I don't know if different copies made at different times have changed but when I got to the location and was testing my rental copy of the Canon and Sigma was there letting people try for fee I did jump at the chance of testing and seeing real world differences. I was fully expecting to get back home and see great images from both but more from the Canon. My thoughts were that the Sigma wouldn't hold up when cropped if they were sharp at all. What I got was more hits (keepers) from the Sigma that were equal if not better in sharpness (even at 600) with better bokeh performance to boot. I fell in love with the images I got and at that point I could no longer justify spending the money on the Canon. It could have just been the confluence of a bunch of different things coming together to make the Sigma shine but now that I've had it for a month I don't think it was.

 

The only issue I had with keeper rates was when I was taking pictures of shore birds two weeks ago and the sea breeze was high. I shoot hand held and holding that bad boy still even at fast shutters was difficult at best. I got some great shots but not near the keeper rate I have already become accustomed to. The smaller lighter Canon might have done a better job for me that day.

 

I have heard the Tamron is softer between the 500-600 range but I have not even seen one of those to even think of trying it. I did purchase this knowing my limitiations was pretty much outdoors only but that is why I bought it. 

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EOS 1D Mk IV, Sigma 150-600mm Sport @ 600mm, f8, SS 1/640, ISO 800.  A 100% crop with lens correction applied in LR otherwise as is from the camera.

 

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Keep in mind these birds are small and they tend to move about a lot.  They are wary of their surroundings.

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ebiggs1 wrote:

" And, the lens doesn't really shine at minimum aperture, not until you get around f/8."

 

Did you mean to say 'maximum' aperture? Most if not all lenses do better when stopped down one stop.  Some two stops but usually never more than that.  No tele I ever used or even heard of did well at its minim aperture of f22.  Some teles even have f32 and that would be even worse because of diffraction.

 

The blue bird on the first post is also a 100% crop.  Even with 600mm a blue bird is still a small bird.  They will not let me get closer with all that open ground there.


Oops.  Yes, I did mean to say maximum aperture.

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I thought you guys might enjoy this. This is far from scientific and I was not careful to take this image with the same settings as I was not thinking I would get home and compare side by side like this. However I found two of the same great egret with eggs that were taken with each lens. They are both cropped down about 60-70% to fit the same square image. I've adjusted exposure and dehaze just a little but not saturation.

 

The first is the Canon 100-400 mk2 taken at 241mm, 1/2000, f5, iso 100

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The second is the Sigma 150-600 C taken at 293mm, 1/2500, f5.6, iso 320

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Yup, I do like those shots.  

 

In my limited experience, the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM has lightning fast and accurate focusing.  The Sigma 150-600 isn't even in the same league, in this regard.  

 

The Canon can recover from mis-aimed focus, with a flick of the wrist.  The Sigma, most of the time, will go on a hunt.  Don't get me wrong, though.  I really do like the Sigma.  It is my preferred tripod super telephoto lens.  Meanwhile, the Canon is my preferred handheld lens.

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"The Sigma 150-600 isn't even in the same league, in this regard."

 

The "S" is.  Smiley Happy

 I can't see or didn't notice any better performance form the 100-400mm 2 over the "S".  Add the fact it doesn't have 500mm thru 600mm and the choice was simple.

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"...I was not careful to take this image with the same settings..."

 

You shots are nice there is no doubt.  Good work.   The 100-400mm zoom seems to be just a tad better to me.  But the ISO wasn't the same. ISO 320 vs ISO 100.  And nearly 300mm vs 250mm, give or take, can make that difference.

 

DId you buy both lenses?  I had the 100-400mil and sold it because of lack of use after getting the big Siggy "S".  I might add if you want a 400mm lens to try the ef 400mm f5.6L prime.  You will love it, I know I do.  It is a unique lens.

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