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Registered: ‎10-01-2017

Which body?

I know this is a VERY loaded question. And has probably been asked hundreds of times. I take pictures at the local dragstrip. Some landscape pictures. And lots of pictures of our dogs. Do 0 printing, only share them to Facebook. Was using an EOS40D. Been wanting a new camera so I bought the EOS7Ti. Really like the camera. Started shooting video with it. 

But.....I want to get a full frame camera...any suggestions? Been looking at the refurbished Canon page...

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Re: Which body?

What is your budget?  There is the 6D, and the 5D3.  I would suggest the 6D, simply because of price.  It should easily handle landscape, dogs, and dragsters.

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Re: Which body?


inkjunkie wrote:

I know this is a VERY loaded question. And has probably been asked hundreds of times. I take pictures at the local dragstrip. Some landscape pictures. And lots of pictures of our dogs. Do 0 printing, only share them to Facebook. Was using an EOS40D. Been wanting a new camera so I bought the EOS7Ti. Really like the camera. Started shooting video with it. 

But.....I want to get a full frame camera...any suggestions? Been looking at the refurbished Canon page...


You're proposing to do what many of us have done, so we're not likely to tell you it's a bad idea. But you should at least be able to articulate why you want to do it. For the type of photography you say you do, especially given the fact that large prints are not a requirement, it isn't obvious that the benefit is worth the cost. Could you open up a bit about your long- and short-term objectives?

Bob
Boston, Massachusetts USA
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Re: Which body?

One important note to remember is that "full frame" camera bodies cannot use "EF-S" lenses.  Your T7i likely came with at least one EF-S lens and you may have more.  That would meant that upgrading your system could involve not just the body purchase, but also at least one lens purchase.  The upside is that once you've upgraded, those lenses work on all EOS cameras and Canon's best glass is made for these full-frame cameras.

 

Canon's Rebel series bodies previously had a very simple focusing system (9 AF points ... a center point and 8 addtional points arranged in a diamond pattern).  Meanwhile their pro cameras had advanced focus systems.  

 

Those advanced focus systems finally made their way down into the Rebel line and the T7i has a focus system that's somewhat similar to what a 7D had a few years ago (not quite the same, but similar).  

 

So while the "Rebel" series are generally priced and meant to be consumer-friendly entry-priced cameras... the T7i is the most significant upgrade to any Rebel series body in many years.  Most previous new cameras offered incremental improvements over the prior model... the T7i offered quite significant improvements over previous models.  It finally hits a point where it's blurring the line between the entry level bodies vs. the mid-range bodies.  It does this so well... that it's sibling, the 77D (which has identical sensor and specs... but adds an extra control dial and an extra LCD screen for easier use) actually is classified as a mid-range body.  The T7i is no slouch.

 

The 6D, meanwhile, still has a focus system which more resembles the system in previous rebel models except it has 11 AF points (it looks a lot like the 9 point system except they added an extra focus point just left & right of the center point.)  Also the 6D's continuous burst speed is about 4.5 frames per second.  The 6D was introduced as an "entry level" full-frame body.  Previous full-frame bodies were always about $2500 and up.  This was the first full-frame body in the industry that was introduced at a price point less than $2k.

 

The 6D is not optimized for action photography.   It is, however, very good at low light situations.

 

The 5D III has a very advanced focus system that can better handle action photography.  It doesn't have the blazinglly fast continuous burst speeds of the 1D X bodies (up to 16 fps for the 1D X Mk II with a buffer large enough to hold 170 RAW files) or even the 7D bodies (10 frames per sec for the 7D Mk II with a buffer large enough to hold 31 RAW files).   The 5D III is about 6 frames per second (the 5D IV is 7 fps).

 

Your T7i is also rated for about 6 frames per second.

 

 

You may find that your T7i is a bit better at the track shooting action photography...

But you will also likely find that a 6D would be better at portraits, landscape, and low-light.

 

The 5D III would pull ahead as it has a better focus system than the T7i, a bigger buffer, and the same 6 FPS burst speed (it's harder to get a fast burst speed when the mirror and shutter are physically larger).  Basically it would be an upgrade all the way around... but will cost a bit more than the 6D.

 

A refurb 6D on the Canon online store is about $1200

A refurb 5D III on the Canon online store is about $2100

(note these are in the "refurbished" section.  A "new" copy will cost more.)

 

...and of course these prices don't include lenses (in case you have to upgrade a few of those).

Tim Campbell
5D III, 5D IV, 60Da
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Re: Which body?

The all important budiet. I am disabled. Still have a fairly decent income. While I could very easy it pull out a credit card and pay $4500 for a body I would prefer not to...especially if it something I will never be able to utilize all of its functions...a given what I recently read I have no real need for a 50 megapixel camera....assuming that the few different blogs I recently read were truthful about megapixel size for posting Social Media pictures. Would not have a problem spending $2500 on a body. 

 

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Re: Which body?

This is a bit difficult for me to explain. I have seen photos from various different folks that were taken on full size cameras.  I realize that these photos were more than likely shot in raw and massaged some in an aftershocks program. But this pictures were very eye catching. The focused image was very sharp...with noticeably more detail than what I take. 

I realize that I need to learn how to take better photos before I can utilize a better body. 

 

After posting this last night I realized that I need tof not be so hooked on a full frame. That I need to get better lenses and learn how to use them..and the body correctly. But it doesn't change the fact I would like to get a full size body. 

 

Long and short term objectives...this sounds like a bit of a cop out but I just want to become a better photographer. The owner of the track has given me permission to be trackside next year. In exchange he is expecting me to provide him with some eye grabbing stills and video. 

 

I am one of those folks that sets his goals a bit higher than they should be. I have severe Cervical and Lumbar Spinal stenosis...so often times achieving my goals has become **bleep** near impossible...of late I have repeatedly let myself down...I don't want this to be another one of "those times". 

I hope this answered your question...if not please just say so...I will put some more thought into this...

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Registered: ‎11-13-2012

Re: Which body?

If you aren't printing and only posting JPEGs to Facebook I don't think you will see any benefit to a full frame camera.

 

But, if you are like me, I know you want to prove this to yourself.

 

Consider renting a full frame camera and appropriate lens and use both at a typical venue where you shoot. Then you will know.

 

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

1D X, Rebel T5i, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, MX472
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Re: Which body?

I think that there is a significant difference between an APS-C sensor and full frame sensor at the higher ISO settings.  With that said, for most of the shooting scenarios that you have described a high ISO vale won’t come along too often, not unless you’re shooting outdoor action at night.

 

Your T7i is capable of producing nearly the same quality images as a full frame at the lower ISO settings.  It should be able to track subjects better than a 6D, too.  But, that doesn’t mean that a 6D cannot track subjects well, because it can.

If you have that sort of budget, then I would recommend investing in professional grade zoom lens.  Your photos will never be better than the quality of your lenses.  I would suggest either the EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II USM, or the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM.

 

Having a wide angle lens and fast prime in your bag doesn’t hurt, either.  Take a look at what Canon calls its “Portrait and Travel Kit”, or the “Advanced Lens Kit”.

 

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/portrait-and-travel-two-lens-kit

 

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/portrait-and-travel-two-lens-kit

 

 

Either one of those kits is a winner..  BTW, the EOS 6D Mark 2 is an excellent camera, too.  I think it might be what you are looking for in a camera body.  It has a full frame sensor, and the same AF system as the T7i.  Just remember, the glass is where the rubber hits the road.

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You can't get the full frame body without getting a coupl...

You can't get the full frame body without getting a couple of full frame compatible EF lenses. It is also true that upgrading your lenses will make an immediate noticeable improvement in image quality; much more so than adding a full frame body would.

Why not do this in logical stages then? Go buy a couple of great lenses and see how good a job your very capable T7i can do with them as you work on your photography. Then decide if you want to go full frame or not and if you do you will have the lenses too.

I would recommend the EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS II lens for sure. As a bonus the 200mm zoom gives you reach like a 320mm zoom when mounted on your crop sensor body.
Scott

Canon 6D, EF 70-200mm L f/2.8 IS mk2; EF 16-35 f/2.8 L mk. III; Sigma 35mm f/1.4 "Art" EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro; EF 85mm f/1.8; EF 1.4x extender mk. 3; EF 24-105 f/4 L; EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS; 3x Phottix Mitros+ speedlites

Why do so many people say "FER-tographer"? Do they take "fertographs"?
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Re: You can't get the full frame body without getting a coupl...

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/03/full-frame-vs-crop-sensor-shootout-can-tell-difference/

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

1D X, Rebel T5i, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, MX472
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