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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..


TTMartin wrote:

Waddizzle is seems like the 6D Mk II has some of the features of Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer built-in. This Canon article implies that it can add those to the RAW file. I was hoping you could test that and let us know if that is the case. 

 

EOS 6D Mark II for Landscape Photography


Having MAJOR issues running DPP 4.7.2.  It keeps crashing, anytime I do something that caues it to write to disk, generating a JPEG, saving edits, or even updating preferences.  My Windows 10 recently applied some updates, as well as some firmware updates from Dell. 

 

Apparently, this recent Win10 update, from October, has disrupted a LOT of applications, so I am going to assume my issues are with the update, and not so much with DPP 4.7.2 which was released at about the same time.

 

DPP_4.7.2_Preferences_ImageProcessing_1.JPG

 

BUT, I did manage to squeeze out a screen shot from DPP.  I'm still trying to figure out how to do a screen shot of the camera.  Notice the settings for RAW images only..  

 

There are extra settings in the Camera [RED 1] menus, under the "Lens Aberration Correction" menu, to correct Distortion and Diffraction, in addition to Peripheral Illumination and Chromatic Aberration adjustments.'

 

There are extra settlings in the Camera [RED 3] menus, under the "Picture Style" menu, to make the style settings, which now include enhanced Sharpness settings.  Each Picture Style has its' own set of settings.

 

It seems DPP allows you to apply your own Picture Style to a RAW file, if you desire, just as you always could.  The Picture Style settings have an enhanced Sharpness settling, that is similar to an "Unsharp Mask", instead of a single slider.

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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..


Waddizzle wrote:

TTMartin wrote:

Waddizzle is seems like the 6D Mk II has some of the features of Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer built-in. This Canon article implies that it can add those to the RAW file. I was hoping you could test that and let us know if that is the case. 

 

EOS 6D Mark II for Landscape Photography


Having MAJOR issues running DPP 4.7.2.  It keeps crashing, anytime I do something that caues it to write to disk, generating a JPEG, saving edits, or even updating preferences.  My Windows 10 recently applied some updates, as well as some firmware updates from Dell. 

 

Apparently, this recent Win10 update, from October, has disrupted a LOT of applications, so I am going to assume my issues are with the update, and not so much with DPP 4.7.2 which was released at about the same time.

 

DPP_4.7.2_Preferences_ImageProcessing_1.JPG

 

BUT, I did manage to squeeze out a screen shot from DPP.  I'm still trying to figure out how to do a screen shot of the camera.  Notice the settings for RAW images only..  

 

There are extra settings in the Camera [RED 1] menus, under the "Lens Aberration Correction" menu, to correct Distortion and Diffraction, in addition to Peripheral Illumination and Chromatic Aberration adjustments.'

 

There are extra settlings in the Camera [RED 3] menus, under the "Picture Style" menu, to make the style settings, which now include enhanced Sharpness settings.  Each Picture Style has its' own set of settings.

 

It seems DPP allows you to apply your own Picture Style to a RAW file, if you desire, just as you always could.  The Picture Style settings have an enhanced Sharpness settling, that is similar to an "Unsharp Mask", instead of a single slider.


That Windows 10 update did cause me some heartburn, notably with some of my network settings. But it didn't have any obvious effects on DPP 4.7.

 

Just a data point. Not saying it couldn't have caused the effects you experienced. I'm running DPP on a Lenovo computer, rather than a Dell. Maybe that matters.

Bob
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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..

"The camera has a handful of significant improvements."

 

Perhaps a toddles handful.  Certainly not enough to make a current 6D owner want it or buy it.  Not have a 6D it is a good starter FF.  However if I were to buy something in this class it would be the 80D, not a 6D2.

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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..


ebiggs1 wrote:

"The camera has a handful of significant improvements."

 

Perhaps a toddles handful.  Certainly not enough to make a current 6D owner want it or buy it.  Not have a 6D it is a good starter FF.  However if I were to buy something in this class it would be the 80D, not a 6D2.


IOW, don't buy an apple when a fine, well ripened orange is available. If you're going FF, an 80D, good as it is, is no substitute for a 6D2. The term "in this class" hardly applies.

Bob
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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..


ebiggs1 wrote:

"The camera has a handful of significant improvements."

 

Perhaps a toddles handful.  Certainly not enough to make a current 6D owner want it or buy it.  Not have a 6D it is a good starter FF.  However if I were to buy something in this class it would be the 80D, not a 6D2.


Of course, you are entitled to your opinion.  The 6D Mark II is not for you.  I compared the 5D3, 5D4, and 6D2.

 

Curiously, there is more than one forum member who owns a 6D and did exactly that, bought a 6D2.  Maybe, once you upgrade to a full frame camera body, then you are less inclined to purchase an APS-C sensor body.  It's kind of like once you go 1 Series, you don't look back.

 

I think the "toddles handful" of improvements are pretty good, IMHO, of course.

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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..

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Waddizzle wrote:

TTMartin wrote:

Waddizzle is seems like the 6D Mk II has some of the features of Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer built-in. This Canon article implies that it can add those to the RAW file. I was hoping you could test that and let us know if that is the case. 

 

EOS 6D Mark II for Landscape Photography


Having MAJOR issues running DPP 4.7.2.  It keeps crashing, anytime I do something that caues it to write to disk, generating a JPEG, saving edits, or even updating preferences.  My Windows 10 recently applied some updates, as well as some firmware updates from Dell. 

 

Apparently, this recent Win10 update, from October, has disrupted a LOT of applications, so I am going to assume my issues are with the update, and not so much with DPP 4.7.2 which was released at about the same time.

 

BUT, I did manage to squeeze out a screen shot from DPP.  I'm still trying to figure out how to do a screen shot of the camera.  Notice the settings for RAW images only..  

 

There are extra settings in the Camera [RED 1] menus, under the "Lens Aberration Correction" menu, to correct Distortion and Diffraction, in addition to Peripheral Illumination and Chromatic Aberration adjustments.'

 

There are extra settlings in the Camera [RED 3] menus, under the "Picture Style" menu, to make the style settings, which now include enhanced Sharpness settings.  Each Picture Style has its' own set of settings.

 

It seems DPP allows you to apply your own Picture Style to a RAW file, if you desire, just as you always could.  The Picture Style settings have an enhanced Sharpness settling, that is similar to an "Unsharp Mask", instead of a single slider.


I wasn't talking  about adding Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) in DPP, you've been able to do that for years. What the article implies is that the 6D Mk II will bake DLO processing into the RAW file. This would be pretty significant as you could add DLO processing at the time of capture and still process your photos in Lightroom.

 


EDIT: For those not familiar with what DLO is supposed to do.

dlo.JPG

Principle of the Digital Lens Optimizer
After passing the lens and various filters, the light has diverted from the ideal condition as it reaches the image sensor where the image will be formed. This is due to the influence of factors such as aberrations, diffraction, and the low-pass filter. If these influences can be compensated for using highly precise and specific data, the result ideally would be the original and optimal image. This is the unique principle behind the Digital Lens Optimizer. Factors contributing to optical image deterioration as the light passes through the lenses and filters in the camera were identified and converted into mathematical functions (optical transfer functions (OTF)). By applying the inverse functions to the captured image, the state of the light (image quality) can be returned to approach the state that the incident light had before entering the camera.
The factors such as aberrations, diffraction, and low-pass filter influence differ for different lenses and cameras, and they also are dependent on shooting parameters. The Digital Lens Optimizer therefore uses inverse functions that are carefully optimized and based on precise data. This makes it possible to compensate even for complex and asymmetric aberrations such as coma.

 
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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..

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I need to re-read this thread.  I looked at the referenced article, but haven't looked on my camera menu's yet to see the settings you guys are discussing which I'm sure I'll have, running the latest FW.

 

I uninstalled DPP 4.6.3 and installed 4.7.2 today.  I just batch processed about 100 photos with a recipie, then used convert and save to JPG at about 1/2 max rez.  I didn't have any issues.

 

My machine specs:

Gigabyte MB Z97X-UD5H\Corsair RM850w, 4790K, 16GB Vengeance, GTX970 FTW SC 4GB ACX 2.0, 850 Pro's RAID0 (boot), Black 1TB, Win10 Pro, Obsidian 450D - 1709 Fall Creators Update

 

For those having issues, you can use System Restore to go back to an earlier date, point in time prior to having issues.  This will resolve any recent conflicts you might have had with a windows update.  I would refrain from going back to an earlier build of the OS. 

 

I am primarily a Windows user.  I have Mac experience as well, but don't care for them personally.  Since I didn't have a lot of previous expereince with upgrading DPP, EOS and Pic Style Editior, I decided to uninstall each first, restart and install the newest version cleanly.  I haven't plugged my camera into the PC since I did my FW update last week.  I typically use a card reader for transfers.

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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..

[ Edited ]

TTMartin wrote:

Waddizzle is seems like the 6D Mk II has some of the features of Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer built-in. This Canon article implies that it can add those to the RAW file. I was hoping you could test that and let us know if that is the case. 

 

EOS 6D Mark II for Landscape Photography

Enhanced tools for sharpening of image details, for both RAW and JPEG images:

  • Fine Detail Picture Style, with greater and more precise sharpening dialed-in.  This is a big asset for in-camera JPEG shooting, and an excellent tool for more RAW image detail when files are processed in Canon’s Digital Photo Professional software.
  • Added sharpening commands for all other Picture Style settings…“Fineness” and “Threshold” are new commands not present in the original EOS 6D camera, giving sharpening control similar to the “Unsharp Mask” command in some image-editing software.
  • Diffraction Correction is built-in (can be turned on or off, on camera’s menu).  Added sharpening applied to counter both the effects of lens softening at small apertures which are common in landscape shooting (f/16, f/22, etc.), as well as providing specific sharpening to counter the softening effect of the low-pass filter immediately in front of the EOS 6D Mark II’s image sensor (when shooting at wider apertures).
  • Linear Distortion Correction, to counter lens-induced bending of straight lines such as horizons with wide-angle zooms and other lenses.  Again, this can be turned on or off by the photographer (it’s off by default; note that in-camera distortion correction will slightly crop the final image file).

"I wasn't talking  about adding Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) in DPP, you've been able to do that for years. What the article implies is that the 6D Mk II will bake DLO processing into the RAW file. This would be pretty significant as you could add DLO processing at the time of capture and still process your photos in Lightroom."


It was my understanding that what you were talking about is built-into the new Diffraction Correction setting [ON/OFF].  It can be found in the Camera Menu that I described.

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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..

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Robert, "The term "in this class" hardly applies."

 

Sure it does.  They are both enthusiasts bodies.  The 80D offering more with the one exception of a larger sensor.  But you are one of those guys that thinks the Sun and Moon sets on FF so this is likely lost on you.

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Re: 6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews..


ebiggs1 wrote:

Robert, "The term "in this class" hardly applies."

 

Sure it does.  They are both enthusiasts bodies.  The 80D offering more with the one exception of a larger sensor.  But you are one of those guys that thinks the Sun and Moon sets on FF so this is likely lost on you.


You keep trying to paint me with that brush. But of the seven functioning digital cameras in this house (there were eight, but I gave one to my daughter last week), only one is a FF. How does that square with your perception of me?

 

Basically, you're blaming me for recognizing the difference between a FF camera and an APS-C camera. Am I supposed to be blind to that difference?

Bob
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